Online churches draw believers, critics
Posted by princessxxx on November 17, 2009
Online churches draw believers, critics
In doing so, á Lava joined growing numbers of Christians worldwide who are migrating from the chapel to the computer. A map on the Church Online site showed users from 22 countries logged into a recent service.
Online religious services offer convenience to those who are too isolated or infirm to attend a real-world church. But can worshipping via a computer offer true spiritual fulfillment?
Internet pastors and parishioners cite their 24-hour access to interactive tools and social-networking platforms to show their online experiences are as meaningful as those that take place with face-to-face congregations.
“We were blown away at how people could actually worship along [online],” says Craig Groeschel, senior pastor at LifeChurch.tv. “The whole family will gather around the computer, and they’ll sing and they’ll worship together. Instead of trying to get people to come to a church, we feel like we can take a church to them.”
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But critics believe virtual worship separates followers from a trinity of spiritual essentials found in brick-and-mortar Christian churches: community, Communion and connection with Christ.
“Online church is close enough to the real thing to be dangerous,” says Bob Hyatt, a pastor who leads the brick-and-mortar Evergreen Community Church in Portland, Oregon. In a blog post for ChristianityToday.com, he writes that calling it virtual church “gives people the idea that everything they need is available here.”
The debate is an extension of a wider argument over social interaction in virtual environments versus the physical world. But because practices of faith are involved, both sides are deeply invested in the outcome, seeing it as a statement on the nature of the Christian person’s relationship with God.
Supporters of online churches have a common response to their skeptics: Try before you criticize. The virtual experience goes far beyond using live chat rooms to exchange emoticons instead of hugs and handshakes, they say.
Links allow congregants to “raise their hand” and publicly commit to Christ, while prayer requests and one-on-one guidance are a click way. Sermon notes can be shared and discussed. And many online churches are aided by volunteers, allowing them to hold services several times each day.
The Internet campus of the Flamingo Road Church in Cooper City, Florida, pulls in more than 2,000 congregants from around the world during its Sunday services. Pastor Doug Gramling said his three children are part of the Internet generation that will eventually decide the future of worship. They use Web tools to stay in constant connection with friends over vast distances, which Gramling says “gives me confidence that it can happen in online church.”
But the disconnect from physical closeness is what Hyatt said he’s “fighting hardest against.” His own church offers online extensions such as podcasts and forums. But he believes “the computer screen is a supplement, not a replacement.”
Hyatt and other critics are particularly distressed by the online offering of traditional sacraments, such as Communion and baptism. He believes it is “ridiculous” that someone can grab grape juice and a cracker from the fridge and watch a computer screen, thinking they are truly participating in a gathering of the faithful.
“Something about the physical presence, breaking the same bread, is what Communion is meant to be,” he says.
But Church Online participant Donna Cole disagrees.
“Knowing that others are also celebrating Communion, regardless of location, makes it an especially wonderful time,” says Cole, who believes real-world Communion can ring hollow. “When I’ve taken Communion in live surroundings, I often got the sense that it was ritualistic and without meaning.”
Matthew Bailey, a parishioner in the Franktown United Methodist Church in Virginia, believes that the meaning of the ritual is what matters.
“If people are willing to go to the trouble of giving their own Communion, then it is quite probably ‘real’ for them,” he says. While Bailey chooses to remain at his face-to-face church, he believes any person “faithfully attending an online church service, is being more proactive, and thus probably more attentive, than many longtime churchgoers.”
Douglas Estes, lead pastor of Berryessa Valley Church in San Jose, California, and author of “SimChurch,” a book about Internet church services, would like to see this debate go away.
“The Bible sees church not as a man-made building but as a people gathered to glorify God with their lives,” he says. Estes believes the quality of a community should be judged by the spiritual fellowship it offers.
“There is only one substantive difference between an online church and a brick-and-mortar church: The place where they meet.”

Enkill_Eridos said
Project: Sanctuary was created to be an online Church that shares in the same spirit. It just has fallen through. Bill though has a brick and mortar church in Palm Harbor. There is a sign on the door and a guy who says what the sign says in a deep voice “No Liberals Allowed!”
dorian said
e_e -,start another online church! liberals allowed! how do the people tithe? paypal?
and yes, what happened to the leading internet evangelist? keller needs to get some good people working for him.
Enkill_Eridos said
Ya but the good people are not the kind he would allow to work for him. Or maybe P’s right and he is just a charlatan and wouldn’t truly care. But I don’t think so.
The Bicycling Guitarist said
Of course no liberals allowed. Liberals tend to be smart educated people who see right through the bullcrap of someone like Bill.
1minionsopinion said
I’ve never played Second Life (enough to notice) but I’m sure they probably have churches galore running in there. It would not surprise me in the slightest.
Call it tribe mentality, call it the desire to belong.. you’ll find a way to connect, no matter what the distance. It’s sure a lot more open and easy to do now than when I first starting online stuff in 1994. Hardly anyone I talked to knew what the internet was, let alone its capabilities.
I had a hell of a time explaining why I’d spend so much time in the computer lab on talkers. I didn’t do muds, mushes or moos much because I didn’t understand the thrill of text based adventure games, nor had I much exposure to the role playing aspects. Talkers though, whooboy did I burn through a lot of nights in the computer lab on talkers.
It was so different to connect with people I couldn’t see, just let my thoughts pour out like this in live time and meet people from all over the world. There was no web based chat at the time – nothing popular anyway. IRC was geekier than I was, and IM had yet to take off. ICQ was small enough to fit on a floppy so you could take the program anywhere. MIRC was too, for that matter. Gone are those days.
Oh the boys I fell in cyber-love with that I never met – Cunning, Auslander, Gianni, Flatline, Mushypea, Pantling (well the last two I met when I went to England). I was so addicted to spodding. I could barely handle going home to no internet for a visit. What would I be missing while I was away from everybody? I felt closer to them than I did my own suitemates and IRL friends at some points.
There’s a real freedom to be yourself when people can’t see you. That’s how I looked at it. Sure, it was just as likely people lied through their teeth but I can’t say I ever got fleeced by any of them.
A few I kept in contact with, a few I’m glad I lost, and others I regret not keeping up on. If they’re on Facebook I don’t remember real names anyway so I can’t look them up. I have one FB friend from those days, and one who tried to befriend that I didn’t want to know anymore. A few others though.. I wonder what they’re doing now.
Enkill_Eridos said
*offtopic* PWI is a cool talker. Of course I got into Muds, mainly because I like to read and imagine things. It was to me like a book that was interactive, I didn’t like the go kill no RP type muds. I like the concept of playing a game where you can create a character’s story and what not.
With online Churches though I see more of an opportunity for people who don’t like crowds but still want to fellowship with other christians. Or for those too busy to go to an actual physical church but can take an hour out of thier day to bible study online or watch a podcast, by a preacher. Its a medium that allows a person to have questions during one of these podcasts, and say hey I am confused could you explain it a bit more. Then the pastor could go okay and do it in real time. I mean being confused in a physical church and asking for clarification is mostly frowned upon. But online churches allow for a pastor to incorporate it while giving his lecture. There is more of a one on one aspect.
1minionsopinion said
I was leading up to that aspect for another comment but thought I’d sit on it. I think part of the beef is that IRL churches rely on their congregations to bring people in. They could do more internet related advertising, more about what their outreach programs are like, what people who attend and sit in a pew think of the pastor and their mission. Putting it on the internet means (to them) a loss of community connection. They don’t understand that community can be found anywhere. If people (shut in or not) find solace or joy in an online service, so be it. I too feel sorrow for the collection plate.
I was always under the impression, even though I never did buy into the power of prayer, that it’s designed for use anywhere. Putting it into a church allows you look righteous by attendance levels, but does the church building itself make you the better person or does your commitment to your ideals and your passion for Christ (however you view him) have more to do with it?
Also, leave people alone to worship, and they might start getting “ideas” like Martin Luther did or something, and ruin the monopoly.
Interesting that Catholics attempt it though. All wafers have to be blessed by a priest to get that little bit of Jesus body inside them somehow. You can’t just buy bulk and eat your own Jesus at home. The ritual matters. The RC church is nearly OCD when it comes to behavioural rituals. Up, sit, up, sit, kneel, sit, up, sit, line up for bread, sit or kneel.. Repetition breeds habit breeds devotion and reliance on the habit breeds a series of actions that no longer look habitual but necessary in order to do and be right. Eat this in memory of me. Drink this in memory of me. Let us Pray… Yeah, I remember mass.
dorian said
actually, one of the things i like about the RC religion are the rituals. many years of tradition and history connected to those rituals. anglican catholics retained all the rituals too. i rather like the incense, the sound of the bells, etc. the old world bit and history, i like. besides that, i’m OCD so rituals are a given.
i never like the word ‘worship’ in terms of communing with the higher being. it has the idolatry spin to it. offerings or reverence by way of prayers and kind deeds is how i would personally honor God. different practices for everybody, innit?
princessxxx said
1minionsopinion says,
“Oh the boys I fell in cyber-love with that I never met. ”
andy warhol says,
“Fantasy love is much better than reality love. Never doing it is very exciting. The most exciting attractions are between two opposites that never meet.”
i say,
“i had a huge crush on dorian when i first came here, but, typical me, i’m over it already.”
dorian said
i’d like to ban princess for being fickle.
oh, what? wrong post? uh okay.
i’ll ban her at the banning post.
Enkill_Eridos said
Hey mysteriousness is sexy.