My thoughts on Capital Punishment
Posted by Enkill_Eridos on January 18, 2009
Okay the Title says exactly what this rant/post is about. Now my views on Capital Punishment is very right wing. This is one of those things that I hold the same views as a lot of pro-life conservatives. Capital Punishment. I am not just talking about the death penalty of which I am for Old Sparky. Just not the Euphinasia. Mainly because if you are convicted and sentenced to death that usually means you did something very heinous and deserve to be killed anyway. Life with no possibility of parole is being granted more and more, straining the tax payers money to keep these rapists, murders and child molesting rapist murders alive. But there are also other forms of Capital Punishment. Capital Punishment in the military can be termed as Mass Punishment. It was this kind of punishment that makes boys and girls into men and women quickly.
Also getting a good old fashoned spanking is Capital Punishment. Spare the rod spoil the child. If the child does something truely wrong. I mean something that you know they know is wrong, take a switch and spank them it will do some good. They may hate you for it now but in the long run they will realize that it helped make them into better people.
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Lawman2 said
hey there e!i have a pic for this post…can i add it?
great post.i agree with pretty much all.i might feel even more strongly about capital punishment than most people. i feel child molesters need to be put to sleep (the mere number of victoms per child molester is unbelivable + child molesters are by % more likely to repeat their crime upon release from prison.).the numbers prove they really can’t be reformed.like a rabbid dog,they are sick and need to be put to sleep.their poison hurt more children and leave life long wounds that takes a life time to heal.now the reason why we will most likely never see childmolesters executed is this:a series of U.S. supreme court decisions in the 1970s found that the death penalty is unconstitutional if it is mandatory, if it is imposed without providing courts with sufficient guidance to determine the appropriateness of the sentence, or if it is imposed for a crime that does not take or threaten life.apart from crimes such as treason and espionage, about which the Supreme Court has rendered no decisions, the death penalty was confined to crimes of murder, including felony murder (that is, any homicide committed in the course of committing another felony, such as rape or robbery).thirty-eight states revised and reenacted their death penalty laws after the 1972 Court ruling that all but a few capital statutes were unconstitutional.the court upheld some revised deathpenalty laws in 1976; during the next 29 years, some 1000 people were executed, the great majority of them since the mid-1990s.
well that is my rant on the subject. but feel like i should add this:
i do believe in corporal punishment when disciplining children,but it has to be carried out in love and not anger.if your child has done something bad enough (last resort should be a spanking)to warrant a spanking it should never be carried out while the parent is angry.
and it irritates me to no end to hear a parent yelling at their children.makes me want to fight the urge to yell at them and tell them to shut the hell up.yelling at your children is a sign of lack of control of self.i believe disciplining (spanking)in anger, and yelling at your kids, will lead to angry young people.
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centered2 said
The risk of executing the innocent; this general concern has been heightened in recent years by evidence based on new technologies, such as DNA testing, which shows that certain death-row inmates were wrongly convicted.
A major objection to capital punishment is that it has commonly been used unfairly. For example, in the U.S. women are rarely sentenced to death and executed, even though 20 percent of all homicides in recent years have been committed by women. Also, a disproportionate number of nonwhites are sentenced to death and executed. Before the 1970s, when the death penalty for rape was still used in many states, no white men were executed for raping nonwhite women, whereas most black offenders found guilty of raping a white woman were executed. Additionally, poor and friendless defendants, those with inexperienced or court-appointed counsel, are most likely to be sentenced to death and executed.
the death penalty is inherently subject to caprice and mistake in practice and that it is impossible to administer fairly.
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Lawman2 said
hey man working for the state has ruined you!defending the guilty for pennies on the dollar.but what i find even more funny than that is this:you actually are proud of what you do.you believe your doing a “christian duty”.you don’t choose your cases,you just defend who ever the state tells you to defend and then you only get paid pennies on the dollar.
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centered2 said
The main difference between us lawman is you pick and choose your cases by how much money your clients can pay. You don’t defend just the innocent. You defend whoever can pay for your service. That doesn’t qualify you as being morally better.
I do believe in what I do. EVERYONE deserves legal council…EVERYONE. I don’t believe in the death penalty. if it is not morally okay to rape rapists, why is it acceptable to execute murderers?
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Lawman2 said
the answer to your stupid question is simple.there is no redeeming value to carrying out the former punishment.raping the rapist will only cause someone else to degrade themselves by doing it.it will not prevent the rapist from raping again.executing murderers, however, prevents them from committing their crime again, and thus protects innocent victims.
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Lawman2 said
are police officers (the state) justified in killing attempted murderers to save a victim’s life?if the answer to this question is yes, then no moral arguments will stand up against the death penalty.
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Lawman2 said
what america suffers from is an overdose of liberalism
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centered2 said
Capital punishment will eventually be gone from the United States, but it won’t be because of a single court ruling or law passed by Congress, but the combination of lots of smaller events, such as the recent Supreme Court rulings saying it is unconstitutional to execute people who are mentally retarded or who committed their crimes as juveniles.
Pope Paul VI: “America: If you want peace, work for justice. If you want justice, defend life. If you want life, embrace the truth—truth revealed by God.”
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Lawman2 said
i’ve heard you say “puinsh them with a life sentence”
well life imprisonment tends to deteriorate with the passing of time. Take the Moore case in New York State for example.
in 1962,james moore raped and strangled 14-year-old pamela moss.her parents decided tospare moore the death penalty on the condition that he be sentenced to life in prison without parole.later on,thanks to a change in sentencing laws in 1982,james moore was eligible for parole every two years!
IF pamela’s parents knew that they couldn’t trust the state,moore could have been executed long ago and they could have put the whole horrible incident behind them forever.instead they have a nightmare to deal with biannually.i’ll bet not a day goes by that they don’t kick themselves for being foolish enough to trust the liberal sham that is life imprisonment and rehabilitation.according to the US department of justice,the average prison sentence served for murder is five years and eleven months.
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Lawman2 said
i copied this from one of my earlier arguments on the death penalty it has been used several times in several arguments:
Putting a murderer away for life just isn’t good enough. Laws change, so do parole boards, and people forget the past. Those are things that cause life imprisonment to weather away. As long as the murderer lives, there is always a chance, no matter how small, that he will strike again. And there are people who run the criminal justice system who are naive enough to allow him to repeat his crime.
Kenneth McDuff, for instance, was convicted of the 1966 shooting deaths of two boys and the vicious rape-strangulation of their 16-year-old female companion. A Fort Worth jury ruled that McDuff should die in the electric chair, a sentence commuted to life in prison in 1972 after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down the death penalty as then imposed. In 1989, with Texas prisons overflowing and state officials under fire from the federal judiciary, McDuff was quietly turned loose on an unsuspecting citizenry.
Within days, a naked body of a woman turned up. Prostitute Sarafia Parker, 31, had been beaten, strangled and dumped in a field near Temple. McDuff’s freedom in 1989 was interrupted briefly. Jailed after a minor racial incident, he slithered through the system and was out again in 1990.
In early 1991, McDuff enrolled at Texas State Technical College in Waco. Soon, Central Texas prostitutes began disappearing. One, Valencia Joshua, 22, was last seen alive Feb. 24, 1991. Her naked, decomposed body later was discovered in a shallow grave in woods behind the college. Another of the missing women, Regenia Moore, was last seen kicking and screaming in the cab of McDuff’s pickup truck. During the Christmas holidays of 1991, Colleen Reed disappeared from an Austin car wash. Witnesses reported hearing a woman scream that night and seeing two men speeding away in a yellow or tan Thunderbird. Little more than two months later, on March 1, 1992, Melissa Northrup, pregnant with a third child, vanished from the Waco convenience store where she worked. McDuff’s beige Thunderbird, broken down, was discovered a block from the store.
Fifty-seven days later, a fisherman found the young woman’s nearly nude body floating in a gravel pit in Dallas County, 90 miles north of Waco. By then, McDuff was the target of a nationwide manhunt. Just days after Mrs. Northrup’s funeral, McDuff was recognized on television’s “America’s Most Wanted” and arrested May 4 in Kansas City.
In 1993, a Houston jury ordered him executed for the kidnap-slaying of 22-year-old Melissa Northrup, a Waco mother of two. In 1994, a Seguin jury assessed him the death penalty for the abduction-rape-murder of 28-year-old Colleen Reed, an Austin accountant. Pamplin’s son Larry, the current sheriff of Falls County, appeared at McDuff’s Houston trial for the 1992 abduction and murder of Melissa Northrup.
“Kenneth McDuff is absolutely the most vicious and savage individual I know,” he told reporters. “He has absolutely no conscience, and I think he enjoys killing.”
If McDuff had been executed as scheduled, he said, “no telling how many lives would have been saved.”
At least nine, probably more, Texas authorities suspect.
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tothewire said
Okay boys, we know this can be argued either way with different cases cited for each side.
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Enkill_Eridos said
I never said the rulings were fair Centered but what about the guilty? What about those that are serial killers? The one’s who kill 10 or 12 people and then turn themselves in and say I did it. Of course the crimes could be proven by the person giving out information that was not given to the press. Do you think they should be kept in prision for life? The prision system does not work as it is anyway. Because if it did there would not be repeat offenders. People make mistakes I understand, but some mistakes cannot be fixed with a sorry. Yes some people are convicted when they are innocent, that does happen. Take Casey Anthony, I do not think she killed her daughter, I watched her demenior and expressions durting that video footage on the news, she is innocent. This case should not even be in trial since it should be still on going. But because of the media the first suspect found is the suspect tried. This also has to do with the fact the media is making money off this. The media does not care for the truth but for ratings. The media has been saying Casey Anthony is guilty when in truth the police have not even gathered enough evidence to prove she is. Everyone is innocent untill proven guilty in the court of law. But when horrible cases like serial murders, child murders, and other horrible things pop up. The media will be there putting thier ignorant twist on things. This is why I do not read the newspaper or watch the news very often. The media serves only one purpose to make the citizens go into a frenzy about certain things. While we the people are in this media inspired frenzy of ideas and protests. The left hand of the government is doing something completely different and even though it would effect the people of the United States you will probably not find out about it. For example during this Occupation of Iraq so many issues have just popped up so many things start going on the news, the only thing that is said about Iraq any more is that we are still there. Why? Because “more important” issues are keeping people from thinking about it.
But again I was ranting. I believe in what you do Centered. If that person is truely innocent they should not be punished. But at the same time I have to think what if the person gives you or another lawyer a really sad story, one that would make you believe he was innocent. When in fact he truely is not. Oh and rapists do get raped as a punishment. In prison if the inmates find another immate is a rapist or a child molester, the inmates usually make sure that those people are punished a little more appropriately. The guards do very little to stop this kind of behavior. Prison is like another country, the guards make sure things do not get out of hand but the immates govern themselves. Which is why the prison system does not work.
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Lawman2 said
e i have a pic for this one…it will draw more attention to this great post
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Lawman2 said
and if we add a page break that also causes more “hits” as then the readers have to click on read more thus showing just how many people have read the post
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centered2 said
Enkill_Eridos my beliefs on Capital Punishment are based on my spiritual beliefs as well as my legal standing. I say this knowing it opens the door for Lawman to start one of his rants on religion (especially Catholics). Unlike my sister I will debate and defend my beliefs…but I don’t feel like I should just debate for sure pleasure to debate them. Does that make sence to you?
With that being said:
I believe God will punish the wicked more efficiently and justly than we here on earth could ever. It’s part of my faith. The sanctity of life should be protected.
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obama the antichrist said
Lawman we will always disagree on religion but political things will always be our common ground 🙂
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Lawman2 said
hehehe ota!
@centered i would like just one good shot in first before you leave it to your god lol
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RJ said
I’m torn because I KNOW a disproportionate amount of people of color are represented in the prison system…and I also KNOW that money buys justice–not innocence. But I want sexually violent and serial killers to die…but at the same time it is my hope that they get theirs in some way that I can never account for.
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Enkill_Eridos said
Centered, I respect your beliefs and that is fine. The universe does have a way of working things out. But in the world of men there are also laws and punishments for it. For just rape the UCMJ states maximum punishement is death. Just like desertion in a time of war. The military still uses a firing squad for these crimes. And there is very little innocent ment on those cases. There is very little media regarding these cases as well. I cannot debate faith, because me saying your faith is wrong goes against my beliefs. So I am not going to go into the faith part.
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Enkill_Eridos said
And lawman if the pictures are tasteful and do not make me look like a nut job go ahead.
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Lawman2 said
is that okay?if not there is another or two that would fit as well
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tothewire said
A recent stuy (justice department files) the average child molester will molest 150 children in their life time. Wouldn’t it be nice if we could just put them to sleep on the first offense? Save the other 149 vics?
Of course we most likely wouldn’t get that chance to catch them on first offense.
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ajlouny said
I was not an abused child by any means, but when I did something wrong, my parents did spank me. I grew up to be an upstanding citizen. It has been a practice all the way up until some tree hugger decided that it was wrong and made it hard to discipline your child. Now we have a problem with our overly indulgent children. There needs to be a control and an understanding that there is consequences and limitations in life, and you learn that when your young.
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