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Glenn Beck’s Revelations

Posted by dorian on September 6, 2009

Here’s one for you, Hors! this liberal as hyper as glenn beck, but intelligent. i see that now the mob is saying that obama is back to being communist and nazi and he wants to indoctrinate elementary school children with marxist and nazi ideology. american politics has never been so much fun !! thank you. mr. president, for bringing out so much love, inspiration and creativity among the rankled and obtuse! glenn beck’s church also thanks you because the more money he makes the bigger his tithe will be.
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43 Responses to “Glenn Beck’s Revelations”

  1. tomdegan said

    Not since Joe McCarthy shuffled off this mortal coil in 1957 has anyone made a career by accusing people of being communists. Glenn Beck has resurrected the practice. Not only has he found a cabal of secret communists, he has uncovered an entire communist corporation chock full of commies. The name of this company, you may ask?

    THE NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY!

    You heard me right, boys and girls. The network that gave us Uncle Miltie and Ma Perkins has apparently been secretly sending subliminal messages endorsing Marxist doctrine since it was formed in 1926. This would make perfect sense to me. Every time I watched the Rockford Files I had an unexplainable desire to read Das Kapital. But seriously, folks. Twenty years after the fall of the Soviet Union, red baiting not only seems silly, it’s also kind of nuts. It’s not-at-all surprising that an organization would give this idiot a forum (after all, he’s on FOX Noise). What’s really stunning is the fact that his ratings are relatively high and that so many Americans take his word as gospel.

    All kidding aside, half-witted ideologues are a dime a dozen. What separates Glenn Beck from his peers is the fact that he is doing some serious damage to the country he professes to love so much. For all of the comparisons to the Nazis he likes to make with regard to Liberals, Beck’s program has much in common with Adolf Hitler’s 1923 screed, Mein Kampf. Eighty-six years ago, Hitler attempted to arouse the anger of his fellow Germans by spouting half truths and utter nonsense – exactly what Glenn Beck is doing in 2009. So much of the insane dialogue that has been spewed forth at these Town Hall meetings across the country in recent weeks might have been lifted straight from a transcript of any of Beck’s programs.

    Beck and his twisted ilk have done the seemingly impossible. They have deflected the blame for America’s current economic distress toward Barack Obama. An incredible feat when you take into consideration the fact that the President is one of the few people in government today whose guilt in the matter is almost nil. They have also let loose with a vengeance the very worst angels of the American nature. Opening this Pandora’s box was relatively easy. Closing it might prove to be a bit of a problem.

    Deep in their hearts
    They do believe
    That they shall undermine someday….

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

    Tom Degan
    Goshen, NY

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  2. Hors Service said

    If I would be a soviet agent, I would certainly be something like Glenn Beck.
    I mean, the Rockefeller are communists?!

    I’ve noted that the love of symbols is very widespread among his type and american “conservatives”.
    Lots of websites Kay showed me against Mormons (It’s one letter away from Morons! It’s a warning!) were also in this symbolist stuff.
    As if the soviets would want to invade your minds and hearts, they would show it. A basic rule in politics is: keep the symbols, change the politic.

    Thanks for sharing this, dorian. It’s good to see someone destroying Glenn Beck untruths (it’s not lies, i’m sure he’s profondly believing in them. Which only makes things worse.)

    It’s nice to apprehend the differences between French and American cultures: in France, it’s the left-sided people who are demonizing the right-sided one. In the USA, it’s the other way round. With approximately the same arguments.
    We are all people it seems. How nice.

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  3. dorian said

    thanks for the visit and sharing intelligent perspective, tomdegan! will surely visit you @ http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com.

    mr. beck is busy nowadays coming up with more stuff to scare the fox news masses and yes, he is resurrecting the red scare of the mccarthy era. he has started the new communist blacklist and the president of his country is the first one on the list. quite funny, really, because russia is now of the biggest capitalists around. but that’s of no relevance to his audience and he knows it. these people will believe anything as long as it’s anti-obama. so the beckmeister doesn’t need to put much time on researching the facts. just rile ’em up and point them towards the next town hall meeting!

    hors, it’s always a privilege to receive european perspective. i don’t know why he chose the rockefellers, of all people, to accuse of being communist-friendly.the wealthy barons of the capitalist manifesto? he’s getting his ideologies mixed up again. anyway, the majority of americans are incredulous and sees beck’s true motives and it’s mainly to get the ratings for fox. he probably truly believes his own lies, or he’s a real good actor.

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  4. kay~ms said

    Well, I was hoping for some serious commentary / arguments to Glenn’s very valid points that he’s brought up lately. The communist artwork really wasn’t at the top of my list. Although he’s brought up good points on this also. The main point being that communism, socialism etc is here and has been here, sometimes in very subtle ways. Sneaky ways I quess you could say. Sneaky, kind of like say when a president uses tax payer money to push his agendas but claims it’s an innocent speech to encourage children to stay in school.. oh and ” since I’m here why don’t you write an essay on how you can help me get what “we” (I) want”.

    I have to say that although I strongly disagree with Glenn Beck’s religious views, I strongly agree with many of his political views and commentary. He is kicking butt right now!! Obama is a gift that has fallen right into his lap! I’m mean, VAN JONES!! Come on… Obama’s Czars!! Come on!! You go Glenn… take full advantage…and enjoy those great ratings. People are watching because they like learning FACTS that are not being told by any of the other “unbiased” cable news networks.

    What I particularly find interesting is that Glenn has mentioned how his political opponents and critics have thrown all kinds of insults and accusations at him, called him all kinds of names but they don’t seem to want to argue the actual points or FACTS that he has presented. And you know, I have to say that I have found that to be true right here on this very blog!

    Examples…

    Keith’s video right here… jokes.. of which, by the way, only a few were funny, most of the time I was laughing at him, not with him. (you really aren’t that funny Keith).

    And Helen Philpot (Margaret and Helen)…

    “Margaret. I got your message about Glenn Beck. Let me just say this about that. Glenn Beck is a loon. I mean the man is not right in the head. And that’s all I will say about that.”

    (“and that’s all I have to say about that”? good counter arguments Helen!)

    “Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. Hawaii became the 50th state of the United States in 1959. If you have half a minute and half a brain you can find a copy of the birth certificate on line ad nauseam. I realize, of course, that half a brain is questionable for about half the Republican party.”

    (another insult directed at anyone, including Glenn, who questions Obama’s citizenship).

    By the way Helen… anyone with half a brain knows that going on the internet and taking something as “gospel” is what is not too bright. Hey Helen.. have you ever heard of document forgery? Us people with “half a brain” require better proof. Which by the way any other senator could produce without any problem what so ever.

    Dorian..

    “this liberal as hyper as glenn beck, but intelligent.”

    ” glenn beck’s church also thanks you because the more money he makes the bigger his tithe will be.”

    (uh, nice try on that one Dorian, but as usual, it won’t work)

    Princess…

    “kay did you see tonite where bozo was railing on the artwork at rockerfeller plaza? the communist artwork. glenn beck has lost her **** mind.”

    (although “bozo” did make me laugh I have to admit)

    “GLENN BECK IS AN IDIOT”

    And our newest poster…Tomdegan..

    “It’s not-at-all surprising that an organization would give this idiot a forum ”

    “All kidding aside, half-witted ideologues are a dime a dozen.”

    “Eighty-six years ago, Hitler attempted to arouse the anger of his fellow Germans by spouting half truths and utter nonsense – exactly what Glenn Beck is doing in 2009.”

    “half truths and utter nonsense”? And your arguments to support these accusations are? Oh we don’t know, you convieniently didn’t present any.

    This is CLEARLY a common liberal practice… I’m convinced it’s written in the liberal handbook somewhere… “And when you have no argument… name calling and unsubstantiated accusations are the next best thing.. just be persistant and unified… it’s a very powerful technique.. the conservatives will never notice what you’re doing… they’re not that smart”. Another liberal “truth” that they ignorantly like to believe… uh, sorry to break it to you but we DO know what you’re doing. And it’s sad but also laughable at times I have to admit.

    “Beck and his twisted ilk have done the seemingly impossible. They have deflected the blame for America’s current economic distress toward Barack Obama. ”

    Really? Where did you hear that? Is Obama making it worse? yes. I think that is what Glenn (and other conservatives) are saying. This accusation and also the “resurrection of the communistic smear campagne” is a feeble attempt to argue back but it’s silly, it’s grasping at straws because you are unable to argue the facts that he has been presenting night after night.

    Re:

    Obama’s Czars

    Van Jones… AN ADMITTED COMMUNIST!

    Obama’s misuse of power (using taxpayer money to push his agendas)

    Where are the arguments to these???

    Name calling is not the same as arguing… you guys need to rewrite your handbook.

    Please…give me a break… what a joke…

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  5. kay~ms said

    And while I’m on a roll here… uh…

    Where’s William???

    He looks like a no show to me… so how long do I have to wait before I can put another notch on my key board?

    I think he was hoping that his “tizzy” remark would make me mad and I’d violate his rules and get him off the hook… but sorry William, it didn’t work.

    Would still love to at least be given the chance to discuss Mormonism with you and learn why you think that rejecting Joseph Smith will prevent us mainstream Christians from being saved.

    Sorry for my attitude William but you disappointed me.

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  6. dorian said

    yes where’s william? kay, sounds like your mormon basher bat is wanting some lds blood. he didn’t sound like he wanted to debate but discuss. maybe he read the other debate threads you had w/ the mormon boys and wasn’t convinced there would be a discussion? who knows…i’m disappointed that didn’t happen.

    anyway , that van jones fella was a mistake. he sounds like he’s full of himself. good thing he resigned. he was probably asked to.

    there are no arguments re. beck’s claims because his facts are so out of this world and those who know better will not bother to waste their time. you can do the research yourself if you want. the guy is a loon. helen is right. a rich one. i laugh at him and i laugh at keith too. they’re both adhd. but keith’s facts are facts. glenn’s ‘facts’? twisted hyperbole intended to incite more anger and resentment.

    helen and tomdegan gives their arguments in the comments here and at their blogs

    http://margaretandhelen.wordpress.com/
    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com/

    where’s ota – let’s get some balance here..

    i had too much sun and barbecue i think i’m gonna be sick ughhh

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  7. kay~ms said

    Dorian said: “there are no arguments re. beck’s claims because his facts are so out of this world and those who know better will not bother to waste their time. you can do the research yourself if you want. the guy is a loon. helen is right. a rich one. i laugh at him and i laugh at keith too. they’re both adhd. but keith’s facts are facts. glenn’s ‘facts’? twisted hyperbole intended to incite more anger and resentment.”

    Dorian, you did it again, instead of presenting arguments to Glenn’s points, you came back with more names and accusations!! I know that I am probably wasting my time but I’m going to ask again anyway..could you please present examples to back up these accusations?

    AND… even though you agree that Van Jones needed to go.. you give no credit to Glenn for presenting the FACTS that go him out. You actually say “glenn’s ‘facts’? twisted hyperbole intended to incite more anger and resentment.”

    That “loon” got a real loon out of the White House! Yet you go on to discredit him ANYWAY! I just don’t get it.

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  8. kay~ms said

    Well, that was an absolute waste of time… I just went to Tomdegan’s link to get the actual arguments that you claimed I would find…. INCREDIBLY there was none there either! It was just MORE insults and name calling! WTFreak??? Who do you guys think you are fooling??? Either you guys are nearing the edge of true delusional “reality” or you’re attempting to be sneaky and deceptive (which isn’t working just incase you didn’t know, which maybe you don’t know because you’re aproaching..”true delusional ‘reality'”!!

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  9. dorian said

    kay, okay,no names.. in this specific case beck presents his ‘communists in our midst theory’, citing far-fetched communist symbolism at the rockefeller bulidings etc..he is resurrecting the red scare (see my comment 3, second paragraph above) in the mccarthy era. that is what keith olbermann just debunked in above video. communist symbols? really? like the ‘face’ on mars – you can choose to see a face there or the outline of a rock formation or “mesa” (which is what it really is).

    history on the red scare: http://www.historypoint.org/columns2.asp?column_id=1062&column_type=hpfeature

    face on mars: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm

    goodnight to all i’ve got to sleep this indigestion off

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  10. kay~ms said

    But see Dorian, the problem is that the “communists in our midst theory” has proof behind it. And you keep blatantly ignoring it. Van Jones. Is he or is he not a communist? I’ll point out again that he WAS in the White House until the “loon” Glenn Beck got him out. Yet you still want to insist that Glenn is spitting out propoganda.

    Glenn Beck has presented documented statements by certain individuals that prove there is reason for legitimate concern and you call it a sinister plan to “stir up the red scare”. Glenn provided documented facts to support his claims and that is exactly what got Van Jones fired… facts! Beck is not making anything up. Is is speculation of the art on the walls of Rockefeller? Yes, he doesn’t insist that it is fact. He’s interpreting.. it was pretty clear in the video. He is putting it out there for debate. Can you come up with another interpretation that argues against his? Then that is what you need to do.. not make accusations without backing it up. It is ridiculous that I have to keep explaining this.

    And I’d say that with this latest proof of a communist in the White House gives us permission to speculate. Obama opened this door years ago and apparently continues to do so. I’m so sick of the critisism from liberals when ever anyone says anything against Obama… he brought it on himself.

    Glenn has made accusations about Jones and he provided Jone’s OWN WORDS to back up the accusations. That is the way you’re supposed to do it.

    You just made another accusation against Beck that he is stirring up the “red scare”. Well exactly what did he say and can you prove that it is incorrect? You need to put it out there so it can be proven or disproven, not make a statement as fact without backing it up and expect it to be accepted. What EXACTLY did he say that was not true??

    And if he is “stirring up the red scare” by putting FACTS out there.. then what are you saying.. that he shouldn’t bring up the truth and people like Van Jones can stay right where they are? Is it that same old ignorant liberal doctrine of ignoring the truth because nothing bad ever happens in the land of liberal make believe?

    I have to go now or my head is going to explode.

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  11. Hors Service said

    Yes, have a lie down, take a deep breath, this allergy to words like “socialism” or “communism” is gonna pass.

    It’s very clear in the video that Glenn Beck is accusing the Rockefeller center of being an example of communist symbolism.
    And it’s such nonsense that no one can bring an argument against that.
    The worker is a symbol of work and industry. Which is quite appropriated for something like the Rockefeller center.

    Olbermann also shows quite accurately that one can make a symbol out of anything.

    You know, Dan Brown is in fact quite wrong in his books, even if they’re very entretaining.

    There’s no conspiration, Kay. There’s no more influent communist country.

    To adress the Van Jones, I admit than I personnaly know nothing about the guy. But I feel that if he’s a former communist which has changed his mind, then it’s unfair to charge him on his past.
    If he’s a real assumed communist, then I don’t see the problem either: he can still make a good job, you should attack his arguments instead of him.
    I mean, as a country you reelected a complete moron. And that’s being objective.

    Oh, and you should learn what is “communism”, and its differences from “socialism”.

    (just so that you know, I’m opposed to communism, and rather center-right *french political spectrum*)

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  12. dorian said

    good morning bloggers, i’m ready for more barbecue in the sun. happy labor day, america.

    kay, are you still fired up about the commies? beck is a great agitator, isn’t he..is that van jones dude a communist? only the communist party registers and jones himself would know. just like only obama would know if he’s really muslim. nobody’s heard much of this jones guy until he called the republicans ‘***holes’. i don’t think that’s typical liberal behavior. he’s quite aggressive! well if he was really communist, there’s no reason why he can’t work in government. it’s just another political party, then. democratic, republican, independent, whatever – they can all be appointed to any office if they’re good at what they do. too bad he had a potty mouth.

    hors, i heard on cbs news this morning the most efficient health care system was france coming in at #1. our country was ranked #37. is it the wine?

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  13. Hors Service said

    And the cheese, certainly. I’ve heard that you don’t let nice smelly cheese with moisture cross the border. Such a shame^^

    The frenchs are known to say that their health system is very bad, but still the better one. I think that our system has some flaws, like it costs a lot of money to the state and promotes medics consumption.
    But we still take less stuff than the americans, for a lower price and it’s for everybody. And once was a time when it made profits.

    But… That’s… SOCIALISTIC! Oh gee, see we are already doomed, for the godless red scum is among us, rotting our souls with soviet lies and…
    -in fact it’s pretty true, but the red scum is being very loud about it. About everything, for that matter-

    I don’t want to interfer in the american debate about health care, because I’ve enough trouble with french politics, but health care has been identified as a major cause of the american crisis, it seems.
    Our system works on taxes and in return provides pratically free and universal access to health care. This way, the firms don’t have to pay for their employees’ insurance, and small as big businesses can grow faster.

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  14. kay~ms said

    Hors, you said: “It’s very clear in the video that Glenn Beck is accusing the Rockefeller center of being an example of communist symbolism.
    And it’s such nonsense that no one can bring an argument against that.
    The worker is a symbol of work and industry. Which is quite appropriated for something like the Rockefeller center.”

    Well Hors, maybe YOU should do some research.. :o)

    Even the very liberal Huffington post admits that it IS fascist imagery…

    “Beck thinks that a bas-relief at Rockefeller Center with fascist imagery was some sort of unique piece of artistic insurgency. In truth, there was nothing unique about it at all. Fascist imagery abounded in America throughout the twentieth century.”

    But of course that doesn’t stop them from critisizing him. … “oooooh… you said communism.. shame on youuu… you fearball thrower!!”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/03/glenn-beck-tries-and-fail_n_276401.html#postComment

    And further in their article they say:

    “What Beck elides over is that it was Nelson Rockefeller — the target of his criticism — who made a stink about it, and the piece was destroyed in a unilateral decision made by Rockefeller Center’s own management team. This sort of debunks the whole premise that Rockefeller and the people who ran the Rockefeller Center were stealth Communists, bent on subtly undermining America.”

    well, this seems to be in dispute according to this source..

    http://www.csc.villanova.edu/~mchan/diego/us.html

    Where they state…

    “Rockefeller, under pressure from the media and the public, asked Rivera to remove the portrait of Lenin. ”

    This site gives a great explanation as to why it is very reasonable to conclude that much of the art work on the buildings allude to communism. Rockefeller HIRED a communist artist!! Granted, the very communistic artwork of Rivera isn’t up anymore, but it certainly isn’t ” such nonsense that no one can bring an argument against that”. Much of the artwork can EASILY be interpreted to have communistic imagery and it is no where near “nonsense”. And when I compare your argument against Glenn’s… sorry, but Glenn’s is much more convincing. Your showing that all too common liberal naiveness here Hors.

    “Olbermann also shows quite accurately that one can make a symbol out of anything.”

    So you’re saying that symbolism doesn’t exist? Is that your point? Because it does exist.. it is very common, ESPECIALLY in art!

    And also Hors, you should really do some research on someone before you defend them. Jones does not deny that he is a communist.

    “If he’s a real assumed communist, then I don’t see the problem either: he can still make a good job, you should attack his arguments instead of him.”

    That is exactly what is being attacked… his communistic arguments and stances. And only a liberal would say “I don’t see the problem” with having a communist in the United States goverment? Again, YOU do some research on communism. Americans do not want a communist in our government. Too many Americans have died to defend this country against it… and a few other countries as well :o)

    Please liberals, don’t tell Americans to ignore communistic people, ideas, and even artwork in our country. It is extremely arrogant to do so and also extremely ignorant of our rights as citizens to be concerned and act accordingly by speaking out.

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  15. kay~ms said

    i posted a comment

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  16. Princessxxx said

    i think “william” split because kay, you obviously were not going to abide by his rules.
    he set simple guidelines but you weren’t capable of giving him a simple yes or now answer, instead you made it pretty clear you were going to play the game your way.
    you seem to take great pride in putting a notch in your keyboard, but not so fast,
    why would anyone want to have a civil discussion with you when you can’t be civil?

    and this school speech that parents don’t want their children to hear for fear of indoctination. simply ridiculous. you right wing fear mongers are idiots.

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  17. Princessxxx said

    https://tothewire.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/glen-becks-deception/

    Exposing Glenn Beck’s deception. For years on his syndicated radio program, on his TV program that aired on CNN Headline News that is now seen on FOX News, Glenn Beck asks people to be honest and has positioned himself as the one to hold the powerful accountable and expose their lies and deception. Perhaps there is no more deceptive person in the media today other than Oprah, than Glenn Beck.

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  18. kay~ms said

    Oh.. wait… P, aren’t YOU now using a “liar” to defend your view… didn’t you critisize me for doing that not too long ago?

    Maybe you have broken free of one of those ignorant liberal dogmas? Never go against “party lines” so to speak. So, there is hope for Dorian?!

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  19. dorian said

    royal beatch slap.

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  20. kay~ms said

    Yes, thank you Dorian!

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  21. princessxxx said

    https://tothewire.wordpress.com/2009/03/17/glen-becks-deception/
    post 11 kay~ms said
    March 18, 2009 at Wednesday,
    Charlie… first of all, Bill would not make any claims that he didn’t believe to be true… I don’t know what his source is for claiming that Ed Smart was a Bishop but if he said it then most likely it’s true… you say that you know him personally… that really doesn’t qualify you as an authoritive on Ed Smart’s life … if you even truly do know him personally

    you see my point, who would want to have an intelligent ‘discussion’ with you, when you constantly infer that people or ignorant or liars.

    you are so rude, people just figure why bother with someone so arrogant.

    i’m not using keller to back up my arguments, i’m just pointing our your hypocrisy.

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  22. princessxxx said

    no i think he was saying i beach slapped you, thanks dorian

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  23. kay~ms said

    no… really? 🙂

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  24. dorian said

    kay, i don’t think p. was defending any views, she just merely answered your request to show beck’s attempts at deception, using your very own post.

    and it looks like you found yourself another role model in the becker. what happened to your keller? ditched him at last? good decision. beck reaches out to more people, eh? you’re looking across the aisle, at least church aisles. ah, there is hope.
    where’s ota? beck is his hero and he’s not partaking?

    i’ll be gone for 5 days, i’ll miss you all. authors please watch the baby. i’ll peek in once in a while, and of course e_e is always watching with his third eye. don’t make him come down!!

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  25. dorian said

    yeah that one was for p, kay. go ahead and beatch slap each other, that’s what they come here for. go ahead, give p a good one, kay! i like the bat, really.
    damn, wish i wasn’t leaving.

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  26. princessxxx said

    oh good, dorian is gone, now it’s just me and you kay. 😉

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  27. kay~ms said

    “Charlie… first of all, Bill would not make any claims that he didn’t believe to be true… I don’t know what his source is for claiming that Ed Smart was a Bishop but if he said it then most likely it’s true… you say that you know him personally… that really doesn’t qualify you as an authoritive on Ed Smart’s life … if you even truly do know him personally”

    You: :you see my point, who would want to have an intelligent ‘discussion’ with you, when you constantly infer that people or ignorant or liars.”

    No, I don’t see your point. What you are saying is that I’m supposed to take the word of a complete stranger? That is exactly what you are saying. I referred to my past experiences to draw my conclusion… I have debated with Mormons before and they have not always been honest. I have watched Bill Keller and I know him to be honest. I never called Charlie a liar, but I did question his honesty from past experiences with the practices of other Mormons. And I never stated that what Bill said was carved in stone fact… I stated why I was more inclined to believe him. Again, I’m not seeing what I did wrong. Don’t forget P, I’m not an ignorant liberal… I’m a reasonable conservative.

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  28. princessxxx said

    you are insane, that is what you are.
    but dorian is right, i’m glad you broke up with bill and hooked up with glenn.
    maybe your outlook on mormons will soften.

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  29. kay~ms said

    Well, we’ll miss you Dorian… have a good trip. so I guess I’ll have to wait for your response to mine on the other post and also your continued comment?

    I already acknowledged that I agree with some but not all of GB’s stances. Just because he is a liar about the truth of Mormonism (as all Mormons are forced to do because of Joseph Smith’s ludacris “religion” ). That doesn’t mean that he can’t be right about other things. I have not found him to lie, as of yet, in any of his political commentaries. And I’m still waiting for you all to point ANY of these “lies” out to me. So I refuse to accept an accusation of hyprocrisy here.. it is not a valid accusation.

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  30. Hors Service said

    At first, I thought that you were being ironical with the “notch on your keyboard”, but it seems finally that you aren’t.

    Who was talking of “being humble” and “wanting to find the truth not winning the debate” again?

    William went away, perhaps because he was disinterested, in lack of internet, or else, who knows? But you seem pretty confident in your “victory”, and would like us to share this wonderfull moment of self-esteem.
    As I’m neither mormon nor christian, I don’t feel really concerned about which from two falsehoods is the falser.

    The Rockefeller had fascist tendencies? That could be, it makes more sense than communist sensibilities.
    You seem to forget that, at the time, this stuff didn’t meant bad. It was just intended as a praise to the workers. It was the fashion, at that time. Futurism is an architectural movement independant even if used by fascism.
    And remember that the americans weren’t really opposed to germans at the beginning.
    Second, our President lives in a ex-royalist palace full of symbols of royalty, and he doesn’t have the smallest intention to bring back royalty.
    Third, it made sense seventy years ago. Now it doesn’t. Why bring it up now?

    Attacking the united nations for being communist is really pointless.
    And Obama doesn’t have a hidden socialist agenda and even if he had, then all the democrats must also have one, because Obama can’t make a significant move without the Congress approving of it.

    Last but not least, remember what was the treatment to the crisis in 29: The New Deal. Social measures. Remember the Welfare State? It worked, then it didn’t worked anymore, and now it works again. All things have to change.

    I’m sorry, I don’t have time tonight for my “points to points” usual answers.

    Give me your arguments against having a communist somewhere near the head of the state making good work. I haven’t seen any. If he tries to impose communism, it’s bad. If he doesn’t, then
    why blaming him?

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  31. Princessxxx said

    hors, you have the best arguments.

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  32. kay~ms said

    “hors, you have the best arguments.”

    oh yeah, that’s a “great” endorsment coming from someone who can’t even argue their OWN points successfully… yeah, I’m convinced.

    Both of you guys (well, all of you) have made GB out to be completely incompetant, accussed him of lying, and called him all sorts of names. I’m still waiting for you all to produce anything to back these things up.. besides just your liberal, biased personal opinions. Prove to me that this is not just a case of a liberal not liking a conservative ESPECIALLY because he’s putting it in you faces with facts! And you just don’t have any arguments. Please prove to me that this isn’t like any common situation that goes on in any average elementary school at recess.

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  33. kay~ms said

    Hors, I wasn’t being “ironical” I was being arrogant. Yes, you are right. I never deny when I’m being arrogant (unlike most here, but not you, I feel I can honestly say).

    I do express arrogance sometimes but my humility is always there. I do it so that the obvious point that has been clearly proven, doesn’t get dropped. Because that happens soooo much here. And I’m tired of it. If you all would just acknowledge the truth I wouldn’t be so obnoxious. I give what I get… I know that is not the Christian way, but at least I am admitting that. And I will say that when ever I feel that I can put a “notch on my keyboard” I do not think it is because of my personal abilities. I know that it is because the side that I am on is the right side, which I know probably also sounds arrogant but what I’m saying is that I’m on the “can’t lose” side. If any of you would switch, you could make the same claims that I am. It’s not me, it’s the truth that is winning here.

    “William went away, perhaps because he was disinterested, in lack of internet, or else, who knows? ”

    “Disinterested”? That doesn’t make sense… he came here to defend his “religion”.. that’s shows interest. Mark that one off. “Lack of internet”? Well, he has a website… I’m not wasting my time going to it but that point I’m sure can be marked of as well just by visiting his site.. and maybe emailing him to remind him about the “friendly” debate he was “looking forward to”.

    “Or else, who knows”? How about what clearly seems to be the obvious? You conveiniently left that one off the menu… Maybe he knows that he will be unable to defend something that is a lie. My one rule.. honesty.. scared him away.

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  34. kay~ms said

    Cont…

    You said: “The Rockefeller had fascist tendencies? That could be, it makes more sense than communist sensibilities.
    You seem to forget that, at the time, this stuff didn’t meant bad. It was just intended as a praise to the workers. It was the fashion, at that time. Futurism is an architectural movement independant even if used by fascism.”

    Yeah ok… but what I would really like here is for you to admit that this..

    “It’s very clear in the video that Glenn Beck is accusing the Rockefeller center of being an example of communist symbolism.
    And it’s such nonsense that no one can bring an argument against that.
    The worker is a symbol of work and industry. Which is quite appropriated for something like the Rockefeller center.”

    was a quick, very biased, ignorant and incorrect judgement that is an example of what all of you have been doing concerning GB.

    You convieniently sidestepped that obvious point.

    cont…

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  35. kay~ms said

    cont…

    “Third, it made sense seventy years ago. Now it doesn’t. Why bring it up now?”

    Glad you asked… I was watching GB again last night and he cleared up what all of the liberal blog critics on the internet have been not getting… and it is clear in the video… his point is that communism is right in front of us sometimes yet we don’t see it. How many people today realized what that art was supporting/ alluding to? Not many. They don’t see what is right in front of them. JUST like, for example, how no one now sees the communism supporters in our very own government! That was his point!

    It’s not, as some insist, a sinister agenda to stir up the red scare. It’s an observation. Which is yet another thing that is clearly a liberal sin. Oh, I forgot liberals don’t believe there is such a thing as sin. Ok, a liberal “no no”. Which, liberals are supposed to be liberalistic, without restraints, so gosh.. now I’m confused… hmmm, I think now I’m detecting more of that liberal hypocrisy… ok, I’m going to stop now or this could go on forever I think.

    cont…

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  36. kay~ms said

    cont…

    “Give me your arguments against having a communist somewhere near the head of the state making good work. I haven’t seen any. If he tries to impose communism, it’s bad. If he doesn’t, then
    why blaming him?

    It’s real simple Hors, a person’s ideologies directly affect their thoughts, decisions, agendas, etc. He may be capable of doing good work but he is also capable of exacting influence on others… which in this case is the PRESIDENT of the US! Americans don’t want it! …aparently Obama had no problems with it which is very concerning. There are plenty of other people who could do just as good of a job and who love what our country stands for, Obama should have picked one of them… not an obvious racist who makes outragous claims directly against white people! Do some research Hors. But you’ll have to go to Glenn Beck’s site because none of the other liberaly biased media outlets are reporting much on this… it took the Ny times days before they even mentioned Van Jones getting fired and they weren’t the only ones. It’s disgusting and pathetic.

    http://www.foxnews.com/glennbeck/

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  37. Princessxxx said

    god kay, why are you such a b!tch?

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  38. kay~ms said

    Gosh… I guess you got me on that one… at least I don’t call good people “stupid” or a
    b!tch for that matter just because they are standing up for their beliefs. And Carrie Prejean is far from stupid, I think you’re just jealous of her.

    And I’m telling Dorian when she gets back! I don’t think she would aprove. She can’t turn her back for one minute without you missbehaving.

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  39. Princessxxx said

    oh, kay, why would i be jealous of a bleach blond breast implant soft core porn christian?
    why?

    and “I do express arrogance sometimes but my humility is always there. I do it so that the obvious point that has been clearly proven, doesn’t get dropped. Because that happens soooo much here. And I’m tired of it. If you all would just acknowledge the truth I wouldn’t be so obnoxious. I give what I get… I know that is not the Christian way, but at least I am admitting that.”

    i’m glad to hear you admit that you are NOT a christian. i’ve known it all along.

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  40. kay~ms said

    I’m an imperfect, stubborn Christian… I am insisting on doing it my way and I know that I will eventually find out the hard way that it is NOT the right way… but at least I am acknowledging the problem; the first step in correcting it. I am working on it. But what I am doing here is pushing honesty. I don’t think that is all bad. And really, the way I’m doing it is by matching arrogance and pride with arrogance and pride. I guess, believing that that is the only language that will be understood.

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  41. Hors Service said

    Princess, please stop insulting.
    I know you don’t mean bad (Or perhaps you do), but bitch is too much.

    Kay… Oh no finally I’m going to do this tomorrow, I’m tired.

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  42. Princessxxx said

    ok, i will stop insulting. just loosing my cool trying to fight arrogance with arrogance.
    my apologies to kay and everyone. (i quite smoking about 2 weeks ago and i am feeling a bit…well…what i called kay.) at least i’m not a congressman.

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  43. Hors Service said

    Like Jesus said, “The one who hasn’t sinned throw her the first stone”^^
    Go, and don’t sin again 🙂
    The best way to fight arrogance is with calm explanations. It always annoy arrogant people^^

    Ok, @Kay:

    You said:
    “And you just don’t have any argument”

    Then, why are you answering to them?
    ( ^^ This was naughty)

    “If you all would just acknowledge the truth I wouldn’t be so obnoxious.”

    Like I already pointed, you have a very personnal view of the truth. Don’t mix your opinions with facts, thank you.

    “It’s not me, it’s the truth that is winning here. ”

    / What about getting a little less arrogant in your speech against arrogancy?
    On a personnal point of view, if I ever change your mind about a subject, if I convince you by a way or another, I will never, ever, point it out. (With the exception of you expressely denying it). I would feel disrespectfull.

    On the arrogant matter, I don’t side myself with The Truth. It would be so convenient to oppose a fundamentalism with another fundamentalism (like opposing Capitalism to Communism), but I try not to do it. I just point out that yours lack substance.

    ““Or else, who knows”? How about what clearly seems to be the obvious? You conveiniently left that one off the menu… Maybe he knows that he will be unable to defend something that is a lie. My one rule.. honesty.. scared him away.”

    Or perhaps it’s your rule of reducing an impressive number of opponents to “greedy liberals” or “reverse ignorants” that scared him away?
    I’m ABSOLUTELY not siding with a Mormon (Gosh, another even more crazy Jesus freak), but I isn’t obvious at all for me that he left because you were so *impressively honest* defending *pure faith* against *Satan’s children*.
    Another hint of arrogance…

    If he’s unable to defend Mormonism, why does he have a website?!

    I said:”You said: “The Rockefeller had fascist tendencies? That could be, it makes more sense than communist sensibilities.
    You seem to forget that, at the time, this stuff didn’t meant bad. It was just intended as a praise to the workers. It was the fashion, at that time. Futurism is an architectural movement independant even if used by fascism.”
    “It’s very clear in the video that Glenn Beck is accusing the Rockefeller center of being an example of communist symbolism.
    And it’s such nonsense that no one can bring an argument against that.
    The worker is a symbol of work and industry. Which is quite appropriated for something like the Rockefeller center.””

    You said:

    “was a quick, very biased, ignorant and incorrect judgement that is an example of what all of you have been doing concerning GB.

    You convieniently sidestepped that obvious point.

    I still stand by what I say. It’s not because you don’t know the difference between fascism and communism that my stance is wrong.
    And I still say that the Rockefeller center wasn’t intended as fascist propaganda. At the time, it was a f-a-s-h-i-o-n. There’s a lot of examples of this architecture and symbolism through the USA, as you said very accurately. It was fashionable to glorify the body of the workers and so on. It’s called futurism.
    And at the time, fascism had the favors of lot of Americans.
    Later one, this worker-industry symbolism was used by two totalitarisms.

    And how do you exactly want to represent industry differently?

    “his point is that communism is right in front of us sometimes yet we don’t see it. How many people today realized what that art was supporting/ alluding to? Not many. They don’t see what is right in front of them. JUST like, for example, how no one now sees the communism supporters in our very own government! That was his point!”

    And THIS, Kay, is quite exactly WHAT the red scare IS. Thank you for proving my point.
    Demons/Communists/E.Ts are hidden among us, it’s our duty to open eyes and denounce them.
    Just like in the 50s.

    How many people today realize what was the context at the time, what does this art really represent? Even less now that Glenn Beck went through it.

    “It’s real simple Hors, a person’s ideologies directly affect their thoughts, decisions, agendas, etc.”

    Crime of conscience? Believing differently is now considered a felony to america? There’s a lot of mormons at very powerfull jobs, and it doesn’t seem to be a problem, for you or for anyone else.

    “He may be capable of doing good work but he is also capable of exacting influence on others… ”

    Oh my God he is capable of having an opinion, and ACTUALLY share it! How terrible! And since he’s a communist, without a doubt this will be only lies.
    The previous american governement was really more trustfull without all those communists…

    “which in this case is the PRESIDENT of the US! Americans don’t want it!”

    Well, at least they voted for the president that gave him his job. Voting for someone doesn’t mean accepting everything this person is doing, of course, but here I think it’s going too far.

    ” …aparently Obama had no problems with it which is very concerning.”

    He perhaps have no problem with it because he’s a politician, and is dealing with people wanting to influence him since decades?
    The last one was influenced by extreme-right christians who wanted a crusade against islam and by oil companies. I don’t think ONE communist is as dangerous…

    “There are plenty of other people who could do just as good of a job and who love what our country stands for, Obama should have picked one of them…”

    People would have found something on them also. People even dared to compare Obama to Hitler, they could do anything.
    Oh, so he should have said *You’re very competent, smart, you could do the job, but see, you’re a communist. Sorry.* What will you have said if he was a Christian?

    “not an obvious racist who makes outragous claims directly against white people! Do some research Hors.”

    Well, I’m absolutely disinterested on this guy, I have enough to worry with french politicians, so I will trust you, except that…

    “But you’ll have to go to Glenn Beck’s site because none of the other liberaly biased media outlets are reporting much on this…”

    …Your only source of information is Glenn Beck and Fox News. Get me some other source, something relatively independent, (ideally, a liberal paper) and I will trust you.

    “it took the Ny times days before they even mentioned Van Jones getting fired and they weren’t the only ones. It’s disgusting and pathetic.”

    Yes, forcing someone to resign by attaking one’s past, is disgusting and pathetic, really^^

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