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Hollywood Liberalism knows no boundries.. Exhibit 1… the movie “DOUBT”

Posted by kayms99 on March 14, 2010

 

Well, the liberals ON ADKOB are going to say… “here we go again”…

Yep… liberalism certainly gives me a lot to gripe about.  Right now, I’m going to gripe about the capital of progressive liberalism… Hollywood.

I’ve watched the movie “Doubt”, with Meryl Streep and Philip Seymour Hoffman, several times and I now know that my first impression was correct.  This movie promotes Hollywood’s ultra liberalistic movement to stifle (or completely wipe out ) Christian values.  And it’s frustrating because of the great amount of influence Hollywood has.  I believe, unfortunately, they will ultimately win and their views will reign in main stream society, if they don’t already.

The reason I say that I “now know” that my first impression of the movie is correct is because, on the surface, the movie seems to be very ambiguous.  Even to the end, we can’t truly be sure who the protagonist is and who is the antagonist.   But really, one could know this just by learning of the major components…. a staunch, hard lined, by the “Book” Catholic (CHRISTIAN) Nun, a Priest who wants to “modernize” or “LIBERALIZE” the church, and Hollywood. And to be more descriptive… a Nun who holds on to traditional Christian values and a Priest who believes that “love” is the most important thing above all, but… oh yeah, this kind of “love” just happens to express itself sometimes through sexual contact with a 12 year old boy.

Gee… Hmmm…. I wonder who the antagonist will be???  HMMMM. 

Because of the movies ambiguity, you never get to know for sure if the priest actually did anything wrong with the 12 year old boy.  Father Flynn claims thru out the movie that he did nothing wrong and that it is him who truly cares about the isolated boy not Sister Aloysius.  Yet, the nun seems to have gotten to the truth that this priest does have a “fondness” for innocent boys who naturally trust priests.  She SEEMS to.  She has her certainty even though he never comes out with an actual confession of past incidences.  But, really, there are two scenes in the movie that do actually confirm who the “good” guy is and who the “bad” guy (woman, in this case) is.

In the last scene of the movie, as the Sister Aloysius tells another Sister of her triumph; the conversation between herself and Father Flynn containing the near confession and the subsequent resignation by the Priest, she confesses to the sister, sobbing, that she has doubts… “such doubts!”  We do not get to hear any explanation or reasons for these doubts.. the movie ends. The insinuation is that she believes that she may have been wrong.

What is even more significant though is the scene a short time earlier in the movie where the nun contacts the boy’s mother and they have a meeting concerning the nun’s suspicions.  Suprisingly to the nun and to the viewers, the mother not only seems unconcerned by this possible relationship, she asks that Sister Aloysius do nothing about it that might jeopardize her son’s enrollment at the school.  The mother has made it clear that that is all she cares about… that her son is able to complete the year at the school which would help ensure a better future for him.

She says, in so many words, that her son’s “nature” might actually welcome the priest’s advances. That the boy’s father hates him and beats him because of his “nature” and that kids at his old school tormented him.  The boy is in need of a man who “cares” about him.  Yes, that is what she said.  And she ends her conversation with  Sister Aloysius by saying that she hopes the sister is on “her” side… which she implies is the “right” side for her son.

Viola Davis, who plays the mother, was highly aclaimed for her performance in this scene.. even nominated for an academy award.  I acknowledge that her performance was a good one but I can’t help but think that the message was also being praised by Hollywood as they so often do.

And what message would that be??  That Christian values and morals are twisted and wrong. That, barring the use of force, there is no such thing as sexual sin. Christianity is stiffling and hurtful to the soul.  People need to be “LIBERATED”!!  Liberation is good… sexual moral restrains are BAD and in this case might even be damaging… after all, this boy needs a man who “CARES” about him!!

So, apparently the doubts that Sister Aloysius has are whether she did the right thing by the boy and the Priest.  Could he have fulfilled a need in the boy?  Even if that meant a sexual relationship?  Did the priest truly love the boy..even if he was having sexual relations with him?  ARE Christain values twisted and faulty and lacking in real “love” for others??? 

Geez.. WHAT A BUNCH OF LIBERAL GARBAGE!!!

This would probably be a good time to point out the fact that sexual interaction is not required in order to show caring, love and concern. And in examples like this, contrary to what liberals would have you believe, it actually CONTRADICTS those things.. Yes really!

The needs of this 12 year old boy DO NOT include sex.  And what he does need cannot be found in the act of sex.

A priest can show caring, love and concern without putting his hands on the boy’s genitals. Or visa versa.  Sexual gratification of the priest is not a requirement in order to show love and concern for the boy. 

But that (obviously) is identified by liberals as sexual moral restraint… which is a clear liberal “no no”.

Once again it is NOT necessary for the priest to receive sexual gratification in order to show the 12 year old boy, who hasn’t even reached puberty yet, that he cares about him and loves him.  If you have been duped by the corrupted liberal agenda and are not sure… just look at the parent / child relationship.  But who knows… with restraints being such a bad thing it is probably only a matter of time before that act is defended also. That is if it already hasn’t been defended in Hollywood… probably has.

And THAT IS the problem with progressive liberalism… without moral restraints there WILL be consequences, but liberals stubbornly and ignorantly do not want to acknowlege that.

So, I want to summarize this by saying what I believe true liberalism is all about. And that is to eradicate “corrupt”  Christian morals and values from society. To brainwash us into aligning with their twisted idea of what morality is. .. of what love is.  Which as this movie shows, includes having sex with children… providing the adult truly “cares” about the child of course. And as this example shows… Hollywood is aggresively supporting and advancing this movement.  Unfortunately they have the influence, the money, the ultimate access to society, and support of every actor in the business it seems.

63 Responses to “Hollywood Liberalism knows no boundries.. Exhibit 1… the movie “DOUBT””

  1. kayms99 said

    This post was originally posted on… well, I don’t actually know because a fellow author DELETED it. He didn’t like that my points were valid. Or to put it another way… He’s a liberal. This post had a long thread to it with comments that further proved my point. And the ultimate proof, with perfect timing and a big red bow was a comment by a fellow author from France…Hors. A european and so goes without saying…a LIBERAL blogger.

    Unfortunately again.. I have to go by memory but here is the basis of his comment.

    He hadn’t had a chance he said to read the entire post concerning the movie but on the particular subject of sexual child abuse he said that he had always (in the past) thought that sexual child abuse was the worst crime imaginable BUT he says that NOW he has changed his view somewhat… he has heard of situations where some victims (of SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE) have commented that their relationship with their adult sexual partner was BENEFICIAL..that is was good for them and they are glad that it happened! And his further point was that we shouldn’t stifle what is just a NATURAL urge or in other words “how they were born”. We shouldn’t prevent these people with their “natural” urges from experiencing the “love” that they desire. Unbelievable! This…THIS is/ SHOULD BE proof of how destructive liberal views can be. This is a PERFECT example of where progressive liberalism is headed. And it is only a natural progression … it’s LIBERALISM! No boundries! So… the question is… what’s next? What other “stifling” and “rights depriving” barriers are going to be torn down? And what other victims will be added to the growing list… let’s see.. we have unborn persons, children…maybe next will be the entire nation thru a nuclear attack because of the civil “rights” of our sworn enemies? Must protect those!! Geeeeezzzz!!!!!

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  2. kay~ms said

    And what is it with liberalism and Hollywood? It is so rare to find an actor with conservative views. I recently came across an episode of Huckabee with Tim Daly as his guest. I thought “all right.. Tim Daly is a conservative! Of course it makes sense.. he seems so nice, down to earth, sensible and smart”. Uh..no. Not “no” he’s not all of those things but “no”, he’s not a conservative. Which just makes this all the more perplexing. How can so many seemingly smart, sensitive, thoughtful and caring people (in Hollywood) also be so anti Christian?

    Tim was asked by Mike Huckabee what he thought the reason was for why so many in Hollywood are liberals. He was very careful in choosing his words but the two major words he used were “open-minded” and “constriction”. Actors tend to be more open-minded (creative) and more against constrictiveness. But the thing is.. is who does like constrictiveness? Who does like being told they can’t do things that they naturally want to do? No one. So, I think it goes deeper than that. I believe it really comes down to ego and selfishness. A purposeful ignorance of the existence of God… DENIAL. And that is sad because it won’t get them off the hook… they won’t be able to plead ignorance before God.

    I just don’t understand it. Ignoring something won’t make it go away. Not acknowledging God won’t cancel out His existence. There is nothing..no where..no how.. not one single shred of evidence that disproves God. Yet atheists are so adamant that He doesn’t exist. They simply CANNOT be sure. The blind and blatant ignorance is incredible. There is so much evidence FOR His existence.. so many strong arguments for His existence that denying Him really can’t be anything more than a product of pride, ego and deliberate ignorance. They are like little children who put their fingers in their ears and start loudly singing “la la la la..” so they can’t here you. And the more you try to reason with them, the more you try to help them understand the obvious, the more their pride and ego grows (and the louder they sing). Because above all, they just can’t be wrong. It’s so sad. They are (their pride and ego are) their own worst enemy. It’s a vicious circle. And the only way it will be broken is if God reaches out to them with a miracle. But He won’t reach out to them unless they show some kind of receptiveness. At least a little bit of desire for His existence and His love. Without that, I don’t see how they even have a chance.

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  3. Karl said

    [The bird-brained HELLywood shmucks affect even our Kansas birds – the HELLywoodized ones with their blaring boombox “mating calls” which scare our little feathered ones. So I am sharing this with all non-shmucks. Karl]

    Our songbirds here in MitcHELL County, Kansas want
    to give the following update on the insane boombox noise here:
    “The noisiest kid over in the city of Beloink drives an older white sedan with license number 178-BJW. Our owner’s friends in Beloink have told the police about him several times, but it never dawns on the Keystone Kops there that they could use an unmarked car to verify the noise; the kids have cell phones and can warn their friends when they see a marked patrol car coming.
    “And it never dawns on the anti-social psychopaths (who may be making up for the lack of noisy rattles in their infancy) that their unlawful noise may be harming a sick baby or someone whose night job forces him to sleep days – or even some veteran who can get “flashbacks” of battlefield cannon booms!
    “It’s obvious that many Kansas kids are no longer Christians, or patriotic Americans, or even human because they have been slowly brainwashed and mentally enslaved by leftist, anti-family, perverted, unAmerican, Jesus-bashing, Marxist shlemiels and shmucks in HELLywood who exercise their first amendment rights by dangling every known vice before Kansas farm kids while secretly viewing them as red-state “hicks”! After America falls we’ll be able to blame the buyers of HELLywood’s videos and devil music as much as the HELLywood devils themselves!
    “If you think such music doesn’t create devils, why do little piggy Beloinkers blast quiet neighborhoods even on Sunday mornings during church time? Do those paranoids really think everyone is out to get them and they have to have growling tailpipes for the same reason a dog growls? Since we don’t get to democratically vote whether we want to hear their music or any music, will those “dictators” be happy when God responds in kind by letting America be taken over by a big dictator who will likely ban all “dirty capitalist” noise! Until then, maybe a tornado – or even a nuclear war – will cover up at least some of the noise!
    “Many other places (like Albuquerque and Reno) have huge fines for boombox noise and even impound offending cars! How can high-crime, gambling towns have better “Kansas values” than a north central Kansas town?
    “Have the little piggies here heard of headphones? We don’t care if they’re smoking pot and fornicating in the middle of our road at 3 a.m. as long as they’re quiet! North Bell St. over in Beloink is the noisiest place in the county. Would the BELLies care if one of our friends is a veteran a block east of them who might go postal over the noise? As long as the cops do nothing about this, we songbirds will keep singing to the whole world about MitcHELL County!”
    See what smart birds we have?
    Karl (in Karl’s Kastle)

    [Want more? Google “David Letterman’s Hate, Etc.”]

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  4. Wait who deleted this? Because I did not. Kay did you take your meds? This movie is about something that has been happening in the Catholic Church for thousands of years. This movie is based on well documented fact of events that has happened within this corrupted religious institution. The movie does not bash Christianity, it bashes the Catholic Priesthood.

    Of course I am spreading Progressive Garbage. Despite there is actual proof that the Catholic Priests have in the past been imprisoned and excommunicated FOR child molestation. It is not some Progressive Crap attacking Christianity. It is a person attacking the Catholic Church for allowing these things to happen. In most cases the priest is just transferred to another Church on the first time the priest is caught.

    Take your meds and actually look through your historical proof before you start using a movie to start your Conservative Religion should be a big part of politics crap you always try to push. I mean these kinds of things happen within the Catholic Church. Only a true Catholic would be so blind that they would not recognize this.

    Just some real examples of the real problem that exists, and has existed within the Catholic Church. This movie is about child abuse done by the clergymen of the Catholic Church. Progressives do not need to bash the Catholic Church, they do just fine in that department by themselves.

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  5. Plus how can a Conservative Christian be in Progressive crowd?

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  6. Anonymous said

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

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  7. Anonymous said

    http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/pope-benedict-xvi-allowed-pedophile-priest-to-continue-in-ministry/19397482

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  8. kay's up to her stupid tricks over at huffington post said

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/wasted_b_502954.html?show_comment_id=42546621#comment_42546621

    and don’t forget, liveprayer bill keller gold for souls now takes diamonds.

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  9. Anonymous said

    and you’re ignorant… as ignorant as can be…EXTREMELY IGNORANT. sorry, but since YOU DELETED the original post and comments your accusations that I’m lying are meaningless. If I had deleted it then my words might be questionable. You’re the one who has no credibility here.. you shouldn’t have deleted the original comments.

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  10. kay~ms said

    That was me.

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  11. kay~ms said

    not going to even bother with you…

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  12. kay~ms said

    ok Dorian (or EE).. where are you? .. P has gone rogue again. He needs to be suspended until he gets back on his meds.

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  13. kay's up to her stupid tricks over at huffington post said

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/desperate-fathers_b_503634.html?show_comment_id=42618144#comment_42618144

    take it to the lord in prayer, kay.

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  14. dorian said

    everybody take their meds!! and give me some. i’m busy trying to save my business/finding a new job. while you’re at it, kay, i can use a prayer.

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  15. kay~ms said

    Sorry to hear that you’re struggling Dorian, I will say a prayer for you.. for you first, that you do realize the truth about Jesus; that is the MOST important thing, and then I’ll pray for your business.

    BTW… was that you over on Steven’s post? You know I now have to go and defend myself and I’m sure he doesn’t want to hear our bickering.

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  16. dorian said

    kay, Jesus gave unconditionally. i accept and believe in Jesus. but if your pre-requisites are different than other christians i know, that’s okay.

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  17. kay~ms said

    Questions..

    What did Jesus give unconditionally?

    What do you mean by “I accept and believe in Jesus”?

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  18. dorian said

    What did Jesus give unconditionally?

    love.

    What do you mean by “I accept and believe in Jesus”?

    just that, kay. i accept and i believe. no need to elaborate. it’s faith. in spite of the 15 years of cathechism and bible study with the likes of sister aloysius and a parish priest with bastard children, the faith remains.

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  19. Princessxxx said

    hahahahaha kay, steven weber called you a he/she and told you to go away. ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

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  20. Princessxxx said

    somebody pray that kay finds jesus before it’s too late.

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  21. kay~ms said

    Yeah, he told me to go away because SOMEONE lied to him and told him things about me that were just not true. My words speak for themselves and I’m going to remind him of that.. and the other person’s words speak for themselves also.

    I am going to try and apeal to Steven just as I’ve tried to apeal to all of the liberals here… to be honest and admit when a valid point that opposes their view has been made. And not be another typical liberal who ignores those valid points and just continues along with their faulty views. I still have hope for him… I’ve lost hope for you all here and that is why, I think, that I’ve ventured out finally.

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  22. kay~ms said

    Dorian… did Jesus die to give us that love? Why would He have to do that? Why did He go to the cross?

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  23. kay's up to her stupid tricks over at huffington post said

    kay, you aren’t honest, what the hell are you talking about?

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  24. kay's up to her stupid tricks over at huffington post said

    tell me kay, what did this person that you claim “lied” about you say? what exactly was the lie?

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  25. kay~ms said

    I just found some of my original comments.. from the first posting of this article… before it was DELETED.

    Wow, I’m so glad you guys are getting into this discussion.. that you watched the movie. Princess, the movie doesn’t have any scenes that would make you uncomfortable. All of the scenes with the priest and the boy are positive and show the priest in a good light which just adds to the mystery (or controversy from my perspective).

    The movie writer & director are making him out to be the “good” guy. But they also includes scenes that make him out to be guilty of this particular offense. Which, there inlies my problem… are the makers of this movie trying to say that this priest can truly be a “good” guy and still have sexual contact with children?

    I would really love to get the other liberal minded / anti-Christian blogger’s oppinions on this also… 1minion and Hors.

    Hors just flat out disappeared when I presented the question about if he could truly love and worship Jesus if the Gospels were proven to be true. He did not want to answer that. Which, I think answers the question. Anyone who didn’t answer that, did indeed answer the question. And I really didn’t want an answer.. I just wanted the question to cause you all to think about it.

    Anyway, I would love to hear their opinions on this obvious attempt by Hollywood to promote their liberal agenda. Which is the same as Hors’ and 1minion’s agenda… that conservative Christians and their “righteous” morals are “corrupt”.

    And this obvious attempt by hollywood is not an isolated incident. That is the motivation behind this article… this is something that they do regularly… all the time. And their campaign works, is working.. and despite my efforts here, will continue to work unfortunately. They will brainwash people into believing a “truth” that is nothing more than liberal propoganda. Corrupt liberal ideology.

    I am reconsidering my take on Roberta… I think she is a real person.. someone that Princess knows.

    Roberta, please come back and tell us who you are… deceitfulness is not very Christian-like either.

    And I couldn’t help but wonder why you just abandoned me? Don’t I need help also? “A change of heart”? I asked you what you meant by that. How can I have a change of heart if I don’t know what I’m doing wrong??

    Dorian and EE…again, I’m so glad you are taking an interest in this.. But, I have to say you both are ignoring the point I keep asking you…

    EE, I think your angle, about PTSD is a good one… but that still doesn’t address my point.

    Who are the makers of the movie promoting as the “good” person here? The “truly” righteous person?

    After watching the scene with the mother, it is clear that the makers of the movie are promoting the side of the priest as the “good” side.

    And also the final scene of the movie where Sister Aloysius breaks down and confesses that she has doubts about what she did to Father Flynn.

    And also, that Father Flynn ended up in a better position.. he got a promotion!

    Clearly he got the last word.. he won.. and he’s the Hero. Sister Aloysius is left crying and doubting.

    I mean, what exactly is the message of this movie?? That is one of the reasons why it can be considered a good movie but also, in my opinion, a bad movie… it pulls back and forth in what seems like a disingenuous way.

    All in all, I think it is a very good movie, I just have some reservations about some of the choices that the writer, John Patrick Shanley made.

    http://anunslife.org/2009/01/08/doubt-the-movie-discussion/

    Viola Davis, the actor who played the mother, called Sister Aloysius “demonic”! How can a Nun who is clearly trying to protect a boy be considered demonic and the priest who is molesting him the “good” person? Only thru corrupt liberalist ideology.

    That scene with the mother and the Sister is so significant. And I noticed that no one on the discussion site will even touch that scene.. which I find very interesting.

    Viola Davis received so much acclaim for her role.. when this movie came out that is all I really remember hearing about.

    Hollywood loved this character and that scene… it is the crux of this whole movie and the crux of my point. She IS the “hero”.. the “righteous” one! And if Sister Aloysius is “righteous” also, she will be on the same side as her AND THE PRIEST!

    But the problem is that the mother, in that same scene, acknowledges that the priest could have a “special” interest in her son!

    This is corrupt twisted “righteousness”!!! And this is what the movie is promoting!!

    And I just find it so interesting that the actress also sees it that way… that Sister Aloysius is the bad “demonic” person… I so fail to see how that could be.

    http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/9790

    I just watched the Charlie Rose interview again… the director /writer Shanley just said his goal was for people to walk out of the theatre with there cynacism destroyed. That sure didn’t work for me!

    Obviously, I am extremely cynical and I find it soooo interesting that he is calling for trust, while I firmly believe that a very sneaky message is being promoted.

    this is just getting deeper and deeper for me.. does this writer realize how much he is being used to push this corrupt evil agenda??? Hollywood is made up of nothing but pawns.

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  26. Anonymous said

    if hollywood is made up of nothing but pawns, then the catholic church is made up of nothing but child molesters. 8)

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  27. kay~ms said

    Ok, make that “liberal” Hollywood.

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  28. kay~ms said

    Look what I found… I knew I was right…

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/01/04/movie-review-doubt/

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  29. Princessxxx said

    just because you found another insane far right wing nut job to agree with you, doesn’t mean you are right. If hollywood offends thee, stop watching the movies.

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  30. dorian said

    here, kay, you might like this. fiery catholics. http://catholicfire.blogspot.com/

    it’s like walking into my grandma’s room.
    Innocent Smileys

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  31. kay~ms said

    Ugh.. you both still disagree with my review?… see what liberalism does? It blinds and brainwashes people.

    I liked that site Dorian.. the story about the man with the Golden Arm was really interesting I thought.. they’ve got to figure out how to keep him alive or at least keep producing his blood after he dies.

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  32. dorian said

    kay – you’re treading on sci-fi stuff there. that’s a great idea for a novel. wanna collaborate on a book? you can put in your own fundamentalist message there.

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  33. Princessxxx said

    see what conservatism does, it makes people retarded.

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  34. @Kay

    Hello dear!

    I’ve been so much moved by your first comment that I am going to answer it now, without reading the rest of the thread, as I’m doing usually. But don’t worry I will do it, and answer your arguments more fully.

    so.

    “This post was originally posted on… well, I don’t actually know because a fellow author DELETED it.”

    I’m sure there is a reason. People here love to disagree, it’s the whole point of this blog. There would be no sense in deleting an opposing point of view.

    “He didn’t like that my points were valid.”

    How many proofs do you need that we let you speak your mind, even when we think it’s absolute nonsense? On abortion, on Mormons, on Obama being Hitler and not being born american, how much do you need? Why are you so paranoiac?

    “Or to put it another way… He’s a liberal.”

    Censorship is something traditionally promoted by conservatives, like you think that Hollywood should ban films as “Doubt”. Oh, and “liberals” as united don’t exist. Dorian is a christian, I disagree with her. Princess is an anticlericalist, and I disagree with her. TBG is a buddhist, I disagree with him.
    But I see you like setting people in little boxes, even if you claim the contrary.

    “This post had a long thread to it with comments that further proved my point.”

    “proved” depends on the point of view…

    “And the ultimate proof, with perfect timing and a big red bow was a comment by a fellow author from France…Hors.”

    Being cited by you is giving me little twitches of pride^^

    “A european and so goes without saying…a LIBERAL blogger.”

    Ok there. Grammatical question. Either you’re
    1) Associating again europeans with liberals, and then I am afraid I will again have to get very nasty on you (like for example, that we have half less people in prison while at the same time having less crime, or that we don’t murder abortionists doctors, that our far-right extremists have sometimes gained the control of a full country -Austria-, etc… And just so you know, Switzerland banned minarets and France is looking forward to ban the full islamic veil, something Jesus Freaks never dreamed of.)

    2) Saying that I’m the proof and therefore I’m liberal, without saying. That would be more acceptable.

    And a HUGE lot of my friends disagree with me. Most of them are against prostitution, etc…

    “Unfortunately again.. I have to go by memory but here is the basis of his comment.”

    And as usual, your biaised sight has gotten you wrong. I have to say I’m not surprised.

    “He hadn’t had a chance he said to read the entire post concerning the movie but on the particular subject of sexual child abuse he said that he had always (in the past) thought that sexual child abuse was the worst crime imaginable BUT he says that NOW he has changed his view somewhat…”

    Until there it’s OK.

    “he has heard of situations where some victims (of SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE) have commented that their relationship with their adult sexual partner was BENEFICIAL..that is was good for them and they are glad that it happened!”

    Still OK.

    “And his further point was that we shouldn’t stifle what is just a NATURAL urge or in other words “how they were born”.”

    WRONG. I still think that since the “good experiences” are very rare, and that traumatising sexual abuses are far more common, it should be STILL punished very strongly.
    I was just pointing out the fact that it also seems so horrible because of the structure of our society and our modern set of social behaviors, things that have variated in history. I’m perfectly OK with the degree of freedom we have in western societies.

    “We shouldn’t prevent these people with their “natural” urges from experiencing the “love” that they desire.”

    No, I never said it. You just invented that part. I just said that we (as the society) are not able to provide a suitable cure for them. It’s because some of them are perfectly normal, except for their attraction towards children, like some are attracted towards asians. The problem is that the society CAN’T AND SHOULDN’T make a difference between the mentally ill ones and the “normal” ones.
    I’ve read this story by a 26-yo pedophile who said that he was attracted to children since the age of 17. He never led a hand on them, but he doesn’t know if he will be able to restrain sexual frustration for his whole life. He doesn’t have even porn to get his urges off. He is followed by a psychologist, but both of them are pessimistic about him being cured one day. He is just tired of everyone depicting him as a monster.

    “Unbelievable! This…THIS is/ SHOULD BE proof of how destructive liberal views can be. This is a PERFECT example of where progressive liberalism is headed.”

    Yeah, freedom, justice for everyone, healthcare, so much poisonous ideas… And of course, they’re all the same. They’re all liberal, therefore bad. Just read a bit your own constitution, you will find that it is rather liberal.

    “And it is only a natural progression … it’s LIBERALISM!”

    What is liberalism again? Do you have a proper definition? I’ve got one for “Jesus Freaks”, “conspirationists”, “extreme-right”, but also none for “conservative” peope.

    “No boundries!”

    Wrong.

    “So… the question is… what’s next? What other “stifling” and “rights depriving” barriers are going to be torn down? And what other victims will be added to the growing list… let’s see.. we have unborn persons, children…maybe next will be the entire nation thru a nuclear attack because of the civil “rights” of our sworn enemies? Must protect those!! Geeeeezzzz!!!!!”

    You like exagerating, don’t you? Therefore let’s exagerate your views! Let’s ban all liberals, and ban also Science who can’t “even begin to explain our existence”, let’s also ban free speech because it’s corrupting people, let’s make war to everyone who disagree with us, let’s ban Law because it’s socialistic, let’s ban school because pupils could get bad habits from liberal teachers, like thinking, let’s ban homosexuals because they are not heterosexuals, belief in God and the Savior is so much important than the rest that we should ban everything else than churches, because all you need is God to be Happy! Let’s ban ban ban ban so God Will Be Satisfied Of Us!

    I will go on reading the rest of your comments on this page.

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  35. princessxxx said

    good job hors. missed you. i deleted kay’s post. the reason. she accused me of blasphemy and said she would “let it slide this time but the next time i will delete you”

    well, you see, kay doesn’t have that power. i did. and i’m more of an anarchist.

    i then deleted myself as an author due to mental health reasons. i’m sure you understand.

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  36. Denise Keller's Chicken said

    Kay, girl! i didn’t know that you regularly donated to charities. well, that’s what you said over at the huffington post.

    please tell us all about it.

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  37. Denise Keller's Chicken said

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/republicans-the-damned-tr_b_524167.html?show_comment_id=43942386#comment_43942386

    and i quote “And that is why Christians tithe at their churches and donate to charities on a regular basis”

    you don’t donate anything to charity, i bet you don’t even tithe regularly to doctor lol bill keller of liveprayer gold for souls scam, now do you?

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  38. kay~ms said

    happy to oblige you P… here’s an article I wrote awhile back.. it is in the header of this site.

    https://tothewire.wordpress.com/our-accountability-in-the-21st-century/

    Hey Hors… welcome back.. I’ll get to your long post later this evening..

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  39. how's about that steven weber, he's hot, huh? said

    well kay, i am going to need to see the check stub, just take a picture of it standing in froNT of bill keller’s house with a big smile on your face.

    god kay, Did you see how tacky biLl keller’s living room is? all that nelly decor. and kay

    “WHY DOESN’T BILL KELLER SELL THAT BIG HONKING GOLD CHAIN AROUND HIS NECK?, IT LOOK LIKE ABOUT 2 GRAND, THAT WOULD PAY FOR 1 WEEK ON TV.”

    DAILY DEVOTIONAL TUESDAY APRIL 6, 2010 (Mark 6:14-29)

    ***COMING NEXT MONDAY!!! THE LIVEPRAYER TV PROGRAM IS BACK ON THE AIR ON A MAJOR SECULAR NETWORK EVERY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY IN THE FT. MYERS/NAPLES MARKET. THE PROGRAM WILL BE ARCHIVED DAILY ON THE LIVEPRAYER.COM WEBSITE FOR PEOPLE OUTSIDE THAT MARKET TO WATCH IT “ON DEMAND” AT THEIR CONVENIENCE. PRAISE GOD!!!
    KAY, WHY IS NOT MISS THING TELLING US THE TIME AND STATION HE WILL BE ON? isn’t that strange since the show starts in 6 days?

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  40. dorian said

    maybe hors will keep kay home on adkob more. she’s out flirting and partying with all the liberals at arianna’s … it’s true, conservatives can’t resist liberals. woohoo, kay! don’t forget your bat over there.

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  41. how's about that steven weber, he's hot, huh? said

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/republicans-the-damned-tr_b_524167.html?show_comment_id=43962858#comment_43962858

    well, maybe, especially since steven weber told kay to go away. hahhahahahahahahahha.

    check for yourself. hey dorian, did i ever tell you what i think of you?

    Steven Weber – Huffpost Blogger Unfan I’m not a fan of this user 1384 fans permalink
    God is my co-payer. Gawd. Ick. Go away.

    no, that’s not what i think of you, that’s what a hollywood liberal who knows no bounds said about kay.

    jury’s still out on you dorian

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  42. princessxxx said

    THE LIES OF BILL KELLER, THE MOST DANGEROUS WOMAN IN THE WORLD

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  43. princessxxx said

    KAY I THINK STEVEN WEBER MEANS BUSINESS, HE WANTS YO TO GO AWAY, SO THAT WOULD BE THE CHRISTIAN THING TO DO GO AWAY.

    HERE I QUOTE HIM:
    Kams…
    Time, dear. Please take your buzzkill and go home.

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  44. YOU TOO CAN BE ZIT FREE said

    wow, he called you a buzzkill. that’s too bad.

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  45. princessxxx said

    Kay, you are really pathetic now. what’s with the groveling, you sound like bill keller begging for money. HERE’S WHAT SHE SAID:

    “”God is my co-payer”… funny.

    Steven… you keep telling me to go home…. what happened to equal time (the Fairness Doctrine)?? And surely “well done Wordsmithie!” & “once again you nailed it!” are getting tiresome after the 200th time? Booorring… What value is there in everyone always agreeing with you? How are you ever going to grow in knowledge and understanding if your views are always being reinforced and no other views are ever presented?

    And sorry about the buzzkill but (and it’s going to get worse here) you are middle aged now (just a year older than me so I know how painful that is to be reminded of) maybe it’s time to start looking ahead instead of living in the past.
    Seriously.. please consider a debate with me about Christianity on the “A different kind of blog” site. I would start it by asking what made you decided that Christianity is not true. I just think it can only be beneficial to debate issues when there are no clear answers (or “proof” in this instance).

    https://tothewire.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/hollywood-liberalism-knows-no-boundries-exhibit-1-the-movie-doubt/#comment-17130

    And speaking of the fairness doctrine, (and Hollywood and movies)… I just watched “W.”, Oliver Stone made George Bush (and Condoleezza Rice.. and every other republican) look ridiculous (and guilty).. no surprise..but, I was thinking with all of those Hollywood anti conservative movies that are made.. “Recount” is another one…

    … and zero being made from the conservative point of view… I don’t see any republicans running to government whining and asking for Hollywood to be forced to give equal time. And that’s because it does not fit into republican ideology. We understand that if we want equal time we can go out and have the movies made ourselves. We understand the true meaning of a Free Country.” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/republicans-the-damned-tr_b_524167.html?show_comment_id=43980899#comment_43980899

    KAY, YOU REALLY ARE SUCH AN OBNOXIOUS B!TCH. ALWAYS GOT TO BE RIGHT, ALWAYS GOT TO BE ABOUT YOU.

    WELL, I’M SURE YOU WON’T DO THE CHRISTIAN THING AND GO AWAY. HOW RUDE.

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  46. Another one bites the "dust" said

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/republicans-the-damned-tr_b_524167.html?show_comment_id=43991649#comment_43991649

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  47. kay~ms said

    ok.. here goes…

    Steven (and any other atheist who wants to comment) .. with Christianity being so prevalent and enduring it truly does beg the question… what are your reasons for rejecting it? Those in most parts of the world who are not Christians have actively chosen to reject it. I feel that that is the ideal place to start.

    And Princess… if you do not have anything constructive… i.e. actual comments and not just insults… I am going to ask you to go away… and to please heed your own advice… thanks.

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  48. Princessxxx said

    kay, how many times do i have to tell your ignorant @ss, you don’t tell me what to do.

    i love where you say, ” i.e. actual comments and not just insults”.

    why don’t you tell bill keller that. that’s all he has, insults. just like you.
    so if the insults bother you, i’m just being all christian up in here.

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  49. princessxxx said

    THE LIES OF BILL KELLER, THE MOST DANGEROUS WOMAN IN THE WORLD IN CASE YOU HAEN’T HEARD.

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  50. Hors Service said

    @Princess

    Ok, Kay shouldn’t have threatened you to erase you because of a blasphemy, but it for sure wasn’t a reason to erase her. But you took it quite well to my opinion, deleting yourself from the blog authors.
    You could also avoid insulting her, I think that would be nice. You wouldn’t lower yourself to her level, wouldn’t you?

    @Kay

    Ok, I go on.

    My mistake for the erasure of your previous post, it seems that there was no good reason to delete it.

    “How can so many seemingly smart, sensitive, thoughtful and caring people (in Hollywood) also be so anti Christian? ”

    Is he liberal, atheist, anti-christian? I don’t know this guy, but being anti-christian doesn’t makes you liberal, nor atheist. 3 separated things.

    “Actors tend to be more open-minded (creative) and more against constrictiveness.”

    In my experience, not really. But it’s just my experience. I see them just as liberal (and as conservative) as other people. Maybe a bit less-educated, which makes them more gulible.

    “But the thing is.. is who does like constrictiveness? Who does like being told they can’t do things that they naturally want to do? No one.”

    Masochists do^^ Something I’ve quite never understood.

    “So, I think it goes deeper than that. I believe it really comes down to ego and selfishness.”

    It could, but it also couldn’t. It depends. Forbidding every of our instincts is bad, since we’re not machines, letting our instincts free is also bad, since we’re not animals. Self-control and moderation, that’s what I think is making us human.
    Anyway, you’re talking here of artists, who by nature have a very strong ego, for the vast majority of them. You shouldn’t be surprised.

    “A purposeful ignorance of the existence of God… DENIAL.”

    Some of those are deeply christian, you can have a strong ego and believe in God, it’s not contradictory. But strangely, when you educate people, when you give them more freedom, they tend to believe less in God, at least not in your fundamentalist approach. Which doesn’t prevent some of them (educated people) to believe, strongly or not, in God or in Xenu.

    “And that is sad because it won’t get them off the hook… they won’t be able to plead ignorance before God.”

    Oh, so this is a trial? I thought that God was all Love? I thought that we could hide nothing from him?

    “Not acknowledging God won’t cancel out His existence.”

    Not acknowledging that we evoluted from pre-apes won’t cancel out Their existence, and at least we have got evidence of Their existence.

    “There is nothing..no where..no how.. not one single shred of evidence that disproves God.”

    And nothing that proves God. Which is all the point of believing in Him. Where would be our freedom if there was a proof that we should believe in Him?

    “Yet atheists are so adamant that He doesn’t exist.”

    And you’ve come from “There is a film that spread a bad moral” to prove that “Atheists should believe in God”. Well, nice twist. You should maybe open your eyes to see that Atheists are not necessarely liberals, liberals not necessarely atheists, democrats not necessarely liberals (for French people they would be conservative), that liberals can have a moral, or not, but then a lot of conservative are calling murder and torture “morality”, so I guess that’s OK, that “liberals” can disagree with each other on hundreds of subjects, that atheists can also have a morality, etc…
    You just can’t get so far in your conclusions.

    “They simply CANNOT be sure.”

    Some atheists are sure. Some others, and it’s in my experience the majority, are not. For example, I’m personnaly not sure. I just happen to don’t believe. In my interest, since I’m not sure I know I should at least gives the look that I’m believing to God, but it would be dishonest, and I’ve got a morality.

    “There is so much evidence FOR His existence..”

    I’ve given my arguments against “everything having a purpose” being a proof of His existence.
    People believing in Him does not make reliable witnesses, since other millions believe other stuff.
    A Holy Book with some exact things in it is not a science book.

    So, I still don’t see solid evidence in any direction. There’s some puzzling hints either way.

    “so many strong arguments for His existence that denying Him really can’t be anything more than a product of pride, ego and deliberate ignorance.”

    To me, believing in a Supra-Human Entity that has conceived the whole Universe out of nothing just for us, is kind of really pridefull. Praying is, to me, a way to satisfy your ego and to compensate for the empty parts of your own life, letting some overpowerfull deity work it out in your place.

    “And the only way it will be broken is if God reaches out to them with a miracle.”

    I don’t know any actor in history who has done as much evil as People Reached By Miracles. Sometimes, God got the things a bit wrong, it seems, and then people got killed because it’s good for their soul, instead of giving them food and shelter as usual.

    “Hors just flat out disappeared when I presented the question about if he could truly love and worship Jesus if the Gospels were proven to be true. He did not want to answer that.”

    But why do you ALWAYS take a perfectly ordinary vacation for fleeing? WHEN DID I EVER REFUSED TO ANSWER YOU. Dang, it’s getting on my nerves.
    And I even think I’ve answered this question at the time:
    If there’s serious proof, yes. But I would certainly worship him your way, sorry. I’ve already got better examples of christianity closer to me.

    “Which, I think answers the question. Anyone who didn’t answer that, did indeed answer the question.”

    Such pride…

    “And I really didn’t want an answer.. I just wanted the question to cause you all to think about it.”

    Well, for myself, I have been a believer when I was a kid, so I know what that does. And I’ve thought about it.
    And I suppose that “all” doesn’t include at least dorian.

    “attempt by Hollywood to promote their liberal agenda.”

    Oooh, then Hollywood has a liberal agenda. I guess “The Passion of the Christ” was not on the same agenda. Nor does all those films exalting American patriotism, or including obvious biblic references.

    “Which is the same as Hors’ and 1minion’s agenda… that conservative Christians and their “righteous” morals are “corrupt”.”

    I’m sorry, last week a group of very conservative and very morally righteous Christians got arrested for trying to mount a coup against the governement. For this, they would have killed a policeman and then a lot of people at his funerals. Nice. And when I read Bill Keller, yes, I’m sure he is corrupted.
    I don’t say that conservative Christians are corrupt, I have the same oppionions as them on some subjects.
    But some of those who are defining themselves as “conservative Christians” are definitively corrupt, as some of them who are calling themselves “liberals”.

    I don’t have any hidden agenda. I’ve just some opinions.

    “How can I have a change of heart if I don’t know what I’m doing wrong?”

    Well, for a start I could say that you’re generalizing and exagerating everything. It would be a good thing if you would change that, at least it would make the conversation easier.

    “Sorry to hear that you’re struggling Dorian, I will say a prayer for you.. for you first, that you do realize the truth about Jesus; that is the MOST important thing, and then I’ll pray for your business. ”

    That is also something you should change. I think that believing in People, helping them, is the first thing to do. It’s what God would like us to do. God doesn’t need to be cared about: he is omnipotent, thank you.

    “Ugh.. you both still disagree with my review?… see what liberalism does? It blinds and brainwashes people.”

    So, if I understand you well, when someones disagree with you, he’s brainwashed? Nice.

    A bit of God’s Love I just found out:
    Malachi 1:3 “I have hated Esau; I have made his hill country a desolation; and his heritage a desert for jackals”.
    And so the Lord spoke, i suppose so. Amen.

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  51. Hors Service said

    And to meet up with your last comment:

    “Steven (and any other atheist who wants to comment) .. with Christianity being so prevalent and enduring it truly does beg the question… what are your reasons for rejecting it?”

    With Hinduism being even more enduring than Christianity truly does beg the question… what are your reasons for rejecting it?
    Anyway, is truth a matter of numbers?
    And, to finish, we kind of imposed christianity to the rest of the world. Not a glowing recommandation.

    “Those in most parts of the world who are not Christians have actively chosen to reject it.”

    Wrong. You have no idea about what really is Islam, let’s not talk about Buddhism or Hinduism, so please accept that there may be a vast majority of ignorants like you.

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  52. princessxxx said

    Kay, non seulement Hors intelligent, il est magnifiquement magnifique à regarder. Hors, Kay et j’ai été très occupé “débat” sur des sujets brûlants du jour sur le Huffington Post. Tout le monde y compris l’auteur demande kay bien de s’en aller, mais qu’elle continue de les marteler avec des accusations d’être ignorants bébé mort libéraux.
    oh, lol 8)

    “vast majority of ignorants”…i’m beside myself. oh wait, that might be one of dorian’s imaginary friends lurking over my shoulder, i will have to check that out.

    https://tothewire.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/and-i-thought-i-was-walking-with-angels/

    Dorian poveri, tutto quello che ha realmente bisogno è un ipad

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  53. kay~ms said

    Hors…surely we’ve been over this already but I’ll address your points anyway…

    but first, please watch the movie “Doubt” and tell me if you think the Priest is a good man who truly loves the 12 year old boy even though he is having sex with him.. that is the whole point of that post. And how Hollywood is promoting that corrupt liberal view.

    “With Hinduism being even more enduring than Christianity truly does beg the question… what are your reasons for rejecting it?”

    First, Hinduism consists of many different “types” of beliefs and it has no single founder. So, to say that “it” lasted… which one are you talking about? Hinduism has no solid foundation.. no consistant universal beliefs… it’s barely a “religion”.

    And that’s several of many reasons why I reject it.

    Islam is based on the writings of one man Muhammed. There are no other witnesses. And Muhammed’s writings promote death to anyone who does not choose to believe. It’s basically a cult.

    That’s several of the may reasons why I reject it.

    You said: “And, to finish, we kind of imposed christianity to the rest of the world. Not a glowing recommandation.”

    The Catholic church may be guilty of that in the past but that wouldn’t explain why it has spread to the entire world and is the largest religion world wide. And also it’s spreading before the inquisition. For the 1st thousand years, no one was forced to become a Christian… it was the Christians who were persecuted.

    You said: “You have no idea about what really is Islam,”

    How do you know what I know?? That is what I call ignorant. I know enough about Islam to make my decision to reject it. And as I’ve said before.. I am always willing to debate with a Muslim so they can tell me all the things I don’t know.. I’m sure it won’t change my mind. So far, no one has taken me up on that.

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  54. princessxxx said

    liaison dangereuse

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  55. @Princess

    Nice french^^ Okay, I didn’t understood some parts, but some of the forms used were quite colloquial.

    And thanks, but I’ve met intelligent people, and I clearly don’t rank among them;) I wish I would, though.

    @Kay

    “Hors…surely we’ve been over this already but I’ll address your points anyway…”

    So do I

    “but first, please watch the movie “Doubt” and tell me if you think the Priest is a good man who truly loves the 12 year old boy even though he is having sex with him.. that is the whole point of that post. And how Hollywood is promoting that corrupt liberal view. ”

    If I have the occasion, I will do so. I don’t seem to have it on my films tank, I will ask my sister to pirate a bit.
    Then, as I’ve already noted, I think that pedophilia should be absolutely forbidden, even if in some rare cases it is beneficial. I just think that we are not treating pedophiles in a very good way.

    “First, Hinduism consists of many different “types” of beliefs and it has no single founder.”

    And? So does Judaism, and it’s the basis of Christianity. Christianity also regroups a lot of different movements, with sometimes have opposing views about some points of religion.

    “So, to say that “it” lasted… which one are you talking about? Hinduism has no solid foundation.. no consistant universal beliefs…”

    It does. For example, every hindu believes that there is sacred in everything. It’s just that you don’t know about what they believes.

    “it’s barely a “religion”.”

    According to your point of view, maybe.

    “Islam is based on the writings of one man Muhammed.”

    That are supposed to be directly the words of God.

    “There are no other witnesses.”

    Nobody also witnessed The Burning Tree of Abraham.

    “And Muhammed’s writings promote death to anyone who does not choose to believe.”

    Then it’s like the God of the Old Testament. Anyway, for someone that pride herself in not knowing anything of other religions, you seem rather assertive. Did you even read the Coran?
    Have you heard of this fatwa (religious act of law) edicted recently by a soufi leader in England, that with 600 pages of theological arguments refuted terrorism?
    And Islam is ALSO based on the Bible.

    “It’s basically a cult.”

    That was the opinion of the Jews about Christians some 2000 years ago.

    “The Catholic church may be guilty of that in the past but that wouldn’t explain why it has spread to the entire world and is the largest religion world wide.”

    Sadly for you, it does in a large part. And not only the catholic church, protestants and anglicans, as well as orthodoxes, have a very nice past of bringing their faith to their colonies wherever they went.
    But there’s exceptions, like Corea, who became christian by itself pratically.

    And again, truth is not a matter of numbers.

    “And also it’s spreading before the inquisition.”

    Did I say something about the inquisition? No I didn’t. You don’t need the inquisition to kill people for their beliefs.

    “For the 1st thousand years, no one was forced to become a Christian… it was the Christians who were persecuted.”

    False. It’s only true for the first 2 centuries. In 278, Constantin was the first Christian emperor. Anti-pagan laws were passed in 391, forbidding every pagan cult.
    Christians were quite fast to come from victims to executioners, don’t you think?

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  56. Kay, what's up with your labials? said

    kay, why must you attach a labial to everyone?

    oh you labial this person a liberal and this person as ignorant.

    i wish you would put a lid on your labials.

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  57. Kay, what's up with your labials? said

    dorian, check this out what kay said over at arianna’s:

    “Church charities don’t turn people away if they don’t go to their church.”

    look what i replied:

    “Kay, I am soooo glad to hear you say that. Next month we are having a fundraiser to provide transportation for persons living with hiv/aids. We could really use some help. May I have the contact information at “your” church?”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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  58. kay~ms said

    time for another medication reminder…

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  59. Kay, what's up with your labials? said

    answer the question kay, what’s going on with bill keller, why is he being deceitful about his finances? why is the liveprayer tv show shrouded in such mystery?

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  60. Kay, what's up with your labials? said

    answer hors first.

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  61. dorian said

    billy keller is kay’s unquestioned object of veneration.

    this one is aunt libby’s: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/03/21/shroud-turin.html

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  63. archaeopteryx1 said

    Kay~MS, (aka, Kathy), RE: “This would probably be a good time to point out the fact that sexual interaction is not required in order to show caring, love and concern.”

    Shame you didn’t think of that before you got pregnant and dropped out of High School–

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